The Same Idea Fueled the Holocaust and the Sexual Revolution | Seth Gruber

Episode Summary: 

The sexual revolution isn’t progress. It’s a regression into outright paganism. This is not an overstatement.

Today, we trace a direct line from Malthus and Darwin to Galton, Havelock Ellis, and Margaret Sanger, exposing how eugenic ideas shaped the birth control movement and continue to influence law, medicine, education, and even the Church today. Seth Gruber joins us to unpack his documentary The 1916 Project, laying out the historical evidence and connecting the dots from American academic elites to the Holocaust in Nazi Germany and then back again as those same ideas fueled the sexual revolution in the United States!

Hear us wrestle with a modern paradox of how current anti-racist rhetoric comfortably coexists with praise for Sanger and her evil movement that explicitly sought the “cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks.” 

Few realize the impact that the normalization of birth control and contraception laws had in reshaping sexual ethics, eventually requiring abortion as a backstop, and why the Church’s silence helped clear the path.  

We close with hope, through the story of the White Rose resistance during WWII and a call to form believers to stand up and resist cultural capture with truth, courage, and love.

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The son of a pregnancy resource center director, Seth Gruber, was helping save unborn children from abortion while still in his mother’s womb. He has been a voice and defender for preborn babies ever since. As a leading voice in the pro-life movement, Seth has spoken more than 300 times to over half a million people. He is the host of The Seth Gruber Show (FKA, UnAborted with Seth Gruber) and travels as a speaker to educate the public, discredit the opposition, and inspire the Church to end the great evil of our time.

Seth founded The White Rose Resistance in 2022, a national voice for life, awakening the Church and continuing to rise in influence. In 2024, Seth launched “The 1916 Project” – an eye-opening book and vital documentary to further awaken The American Church to her pivotal role in today’s culture war. At thirty-three, Seth’s passionate work for the preborn, The Church, and America is just getting started.

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Opening Claims: Pagan Revival

Seth Gruber 0:02

What we're seeing is a renaissance of paganism. And so it's not a coincidence that Sanger and her allies in the early 20th century begin to have cultural success that coincidentally happens to align with the retreat of the church in the early 20th century. And child sacrifice has always been the foundation of a teetering empire, by the way. Nearly every civilization in human history exercised human sacrifice at one point or another until this incredible religion called Christianity came around and started saying, you know, we worship the Capital L logos, the divine logic of the universe, um, who became a fetus, and therefore all human beings have the Imago Day, they have dignity actually, and you can't just abuse them. And the church is gonna stand up and defend those because that is living out the gospel.

Guest Setup: Seth Gruber

Luke Allen 0:50

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Ideas Have Consequences. This is the podcast of the Disciple Nations Alliance. As Christians, we all know that our mission is to spread the gospel around the world to all the nations. However, our mission, the Great Co-Mission, also involves working to transform our cultures so that they increasingly reflect the truth, the goodness, and the beauty of God's kingdom. Tragically, the church has largely neglected this second part of her mission, and today most Christians are having little influence on their surrounding cultures. Join us on this podcast as we rediscover what it means for each of us to disciple the nations and to create Christ-honoring cultures that reflect the character of the living God. Hi guys, my name is Luke Allen. I am one of the co-hosts here on the podcast, and today I am joined by my dad and co-host Scott Allen. I hope that every one of you guys who are listening will buckle up because this episode is a ride. For those of you guys who are listening at double speed, today is not the day for that. We are about to hit launch into a PowerPact episode with Seth Gruber from the White Rose Resistance. I've heard him describe before as if Ben Shapiro's linguistic agility and Charlie Kirk's passion had a baby, then that would be Seth Gruber. Dad, would you mind just giving people a little bit of a summary of today's episode before we hop into the discussion with Seth?

Scott Allen 2:05

Yeah, it was uh really exciting for me because we dove into a subject that I absolutely adore, although I have to be careful because I know most people don't, uh, but the history of ideas, you know, where um the ideas that uh historically have been so important and have shaped the way we think, even if we're not aware of them or the people that espoused them. And specifically, Seth is uh going to talk about the documentary that he's produced and released called the I gotta get this right, 1916 Project, not the 1619, but the 1916 Project, which is really the history of the planned parenthood, the sexual revolution, abortion, all of that culture of death. It's it's a it's a history that I'm convinced most people, most Christians, most people uh regardless, are not aware of. And he's done a really great job of kind of going back and uh drawing that thread back from Margaret Sanger back to people like uh Richard DeGalton and you know Darwin and uh and and bringing in new names that I wasn't familiar with. So we really get into that and then bring it right up to the present. And those ideas have consequences, and the consequences are the genocide of abortion in the West, amongst other things. And so we've got to be aware of these ideas. It's just a he did a fantastic job of helping us on that today, Luke.

Luke Allen 3:28

Yeah, the classic ideas have consequences episode. We had to get straight back to the ideas. Um and these ideas are so this history and these ideas are so overlooked, whitewashed, you know, pushed out of our sideline. Um to quote Seth, he once said that abortion and birth control is the linchpin upon which the liberal establishment spins. Um this is behind so much of what we see in the world today. Uh and to quote C.S. Lewis, he once said that the most dangerous ideas in a society are not the ones being argued for, but the ones that are being assumed. You know, just kind of playing. How often have you heard the topic of birth control brought up in the church? And you know, as we always say, if the church does not disciple the nation, the nation will disciple the church. Well, clearly in the United States and many Western countries, the church has not been discipling the nation. So the question is who has been discipling the nation? The answer to that? Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, and that's what we're going to get into today. So, anyways, this is a fascinating episode. I hope you guys all stick around with us till the end. I know you're gonna enjoy it. Uh, so without further ado, let's hop into the discussion.

Scott Allen 4:34

Well, we're so thrilled today to have with us uh a new guest, Seth Gruber. Um, Seth, thank you so much for taking time out of your super busy schedule to join us on the podcast.

Speaker 4:44

Let's go! Ideas have consequences, and bad ideas have victims.

Scott Allen 4:48

They sure do, as our friend John Stone Street is fond of saying. Yeah.

Speaker 4:52

Richard Weaver uh originally coined the term ideas have consequences. Ideas have consequences, yes. And then uh folks like um Van Till and R. C. Sprohl and Schaefer and now Stone Street have added the uh and and perverse ideas have perverse consequences. So uh thank you guys.

Scott Allen 5:10

Well, I like I like that bad ideas have victims. Yeah, I think that's so true and very powerful. And yes, we're we're we are uh influenced heavily here by Francis Schaefer as well. So yeah, anyways, it's great to have somebody who's so like-minded on Seth. Um let me just give a little background to our listeners who uh may not be familiar with you, and then you can certainly add anything you want as well. Um uh Seth is the son of a pregnancy resource center director in uh Southern California, right, Seth? Is that right?

Speaker 5:40

Yeah, born and raised in LA. Yeah.

The 1916 Project Overview

Scott Allen 5:42

Los Angeles, yeah, good for you. Uh Seth is a leading voice today in the pro-life movement, and he is host of a very popular podcast that I encourage all of you to listen to, the Seth Gruber Show. Uh he travels uh as a speaker and educates the public um and inspires the church uh on this greatest of evils of our time. And I I completely agree with that. Uh Seth uh founded White Rose Resistance in 2022. We're gonna talk about that a little bit today, and is a national voice for life, awakening the church, and continuing uh to rise in influence. I'm trying to read from a bio, I don't think I read that quite right, but uh we're gonna talk mostly, Seth, about your most recent documentary film, which was uh released here just recently called the 1916 Project. Right. Um if you haven't seen that, I'm talking to our listeners here. I really want you to watch that. I thought it was incredibly well done. It's a it's a really well done documentary, but more than that, it tells uh this kind of history that I it's just for whatever reason is blacked out of people's minds. It may be one of the most important parts of the history of the United States that nobody knows about. And important in the sense that it's had the ripples of influence have been just vast. So I just want to really commend you, Seth, for saying we've gonna we're gonna tell this history. Um I I'm a huge fan of um the history of ideas. That's actually what I studied in university many years ago is intellectual history and just the power of ideas, historical ideas to shape the present. So I just thought this was incredibly well done. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, no, really.

Why History Of Ideas Matters

Speaker 7:30

Yeah, we worked really hard on it. I you did a great job. Uh I only flew to Munich. That was the only international trip we took. That this next film that's coming out soon, I was in Rome, Paris, and London, and I'll I can share more about that later. But uh yeah, the 1916 project, uh, really there's really been nothing done like it, which is kind of shocking. Like there's been little there's been like crappy, little low budget, um, kind of silly uh exposes on Sanger, you know, like a you know lame old footage with some podcaster at a mic yelling and then a YouTube clip gets put of it. But like uh and then and then there was that incredible, like two and a half hour documentary, uh Matha 21, about the history of like anti-black racism and genocide. Um, and so it had a segment in there on Planned Parenthood, but it was like two over two hours, and it was just about a history of sort of black genocide. Um, but in terms of like a Planned Parenthood, singer-focused, high production, inspirational, and aesthetically beautiful film, there'd really never been anything. And it's like crazy when you think about like the fact that Planned Parent was like founded in 1921, their first clinic was 1916, and it had never been done. So I was just like, oh, I'm a weird homeschool kid, you know, from Los Angeles, and like I think this needs to be done. I I think it was Churchill who said the the greatest advances in human civilization have come when we recovered what we had lost, when we learned the lessons of history. Uh Eler Belloc, uh Chesterton's best friend, said to comprehend the history of a thing is to unlock the mysteries of its present and more to discover the profundities of its future. In other words, we don't study the past in order to nitpick and debate and about everything that happened then. We study the nuances and complexities and shocking aspects of history to better understand now. And and if we do that, we we actually become prophetic. And that's what Belloc meant. He said, We we actually can now predict the profundities of these ideas, futures. We we know where another we know where these ideas lead uh when left unchecked, and we know how much worse it can get, right? Um and so uh, you know, I I'm I I like to call myself sort of a you know conservative optimist, you know, yes, it can always get worse. So that's why we did that.

Luke Allen 9:43

No, we have a yeah, I mean, uh one of the reasons I love history so much is just because ever since the Great Commission, you know, go and make disciples of all nations, it it's not just Christians that do that. Everyone's always discipling their nation. And if you look back throughout history, you can just pinpoint which uh who is discipling this nation, who is discipling this nation. You know, was it the Christians or was it anyone else with the destructive ideas on strategy, Luke, right?

Speaker 10:07

We've we've allowed them to I mean, it sounds like you guys are uh are men of of of the mind, so you you probably know the history behind a lot of this, but especially in the modern era, um, I mean, dude, the story behind the Frankfurt School, Gramsci, uh Herbert Marcuse, uh Max Horkheimer, um uh Wilhelm Reich, um, and then Carol Quigley's.

Speaker 2 10:33

Fascinating Marxism, right? Yeah, exactly.

Cultural Strategy And Neo‑Marxism

Speaker 10:36

Did you guys know the story? Have you talked about about to your listeners about this? The story of Carol Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, where he almost blew the whistle. Do you want to hear it? Sure. Okay, I'm kind of taking over your podcast in interview, sorry. That's why I asked. Um, I know you have interview questions, we'll get to them. But yeah, in the 1960s, so so to Luke's point, right, that they took the Great Commission and flipped it upside down. That that's what I'm trying to say. Is this like the enemy and therefore his offspring have no original um stories, they have no original ideas. They can't, I actually, this is a theological truth for Christians. Uh, Satan cannot create. So all he can do is invert, pervert, uh, copycat uh and parody uh that which has already been written, that which has already been said, and that which has been already been declared good. And so in the 1960s, Quig Carroll Quigley began this work on this, his like Magnum opus. Uh, it was a massive tracing of what he called the Anglo-American establishment. Um, this is the foundational roots of um organizations like the Trilateral Commission and the Committee for Foreign Relations. Uh, and he wanted to create a history of this extraordinary movement. And he traced the ideas to the ideas uh of Antonio Gramsci um and the capturing of the robes, um, which is the phrase that they use that would transform Western culture for forever. The book was called Tragedy and Hope, uh, a history of the world in our time, uh published by McMillan in 1966. Okay, so the 60s. And this was due to be released in a huge public relations splash. This is like one of the most least known, most interesting stories of this era. Uh, and so the books get to the warehouse. And by the way, Quigley was no um conservative. Okay, he was a liberal. He just wanted to trace this fascinating movement of the of the, if you will, the the Marxists uh swapping out uh economics for culture. Okay. Yeah, the neo-Marxists. Yeah, that's right, of course. And we can get into all that if you want. But but but he he he was proud of this movement. He he just wanted to trace its history, okay? But but he was no conservative. And so then all of a sudden, the um the members of the Anglo-American establishment that he was writing about, uh the the their ideas that he was tracing, um they felt that the book was premature, uh, that it would um expose the plan uh too early. And so this is crazy. Um the books in the warehouse were all destroyed. I mean, this the the tragic the um it's called Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time. And dude, this was ready for a huge public relations splash. And they had prepared all of this. Um, one box gets snuck out by a warehouse worker who who he wasn't an ideologue. He was just thinking, guys, like, well, clearly there's some shenanigans going on here. Maybe if I keep a box of these books, I can sell them and maybe they'll be valuable. Okay. Um so it's been reprinted in bootleg edition since. Very few original copies remain. My mentor, Dr. George Grant, has one of the original copies that was in that box that got snuck out of the warehouse. Um, and there's nothing crazy or incendiary about the book, guys. It's not like some QA-non thing, right? It's it's just it's just a straightforward history of how the cultural Marxists decided that instead of barricades in the street, instead of burning down uh, if you will, Minneapolis uh and Ferguson, uh instead of trying to set up a police free zone called Chaz Chop in Seattle or Portland, uh, a better strategy would be to capture the robes of the academy, of the universities. And in short order, they would capture the high schools and the elementary schools, uh to capture the robes of higher science, think Anthony Fauci, uh and medicine, the robes of the mainstream ecclesiastical structures of our nations. And so, quiggly in this book, guys, uh, he traces how this long-term strategy was to unfold in the major institutions of power. And by the way, why does all this matter for our interview? Because Margaret Sanger was doing this beautifully before everyone else in the 20th century.

Scott Allen 14:10

Well, that's a that's another huge piece of history. I mean, that that should be on your list of documentaries to make the history of the neo-Marxist starting with Gramsci and the Frankfurt School. Because well, no, because that uh I'll tell you what, I I wrote a book, I don't know, Seth, if you know it's called Why Social Justice Is Not Biblical Justice. Uh and it was a it was a cr a c a call to the church. Guys, we're going along with this woke neo-Marxist revolution. I didn't know this history, even though I love history. I I thought Marxism had died when the Berlin Wall fell. I didn't know Antonio Gramsci or the Frankfurt School. And yet it's at the seedbed of the entire, you know, woke revolution that's just completely taken over the institutions of the West. People don't know that history. Um, it's amazing how little That should be my next film and book.

Speaker 15:00

No, you it's well in the same way.

Scott Allen 15:02

Luke got me going.

Speaker 15:03

It's your fault, guys. Okay, he got me going talking about the Great Commission, which is our strategy. So because Quigley uh identifies one of the keys to the plan of the Frankfurt School, and they called it enforced coercive toleration, um, which was originally an idea from Herbert Marcuse, later developed by Wil Wilhelm Reich, the two fathers of the free love movement. But the idea behind this was you pose as the benefactors of the people. Um, the idea was that you use mercy or the appearance of mercy as a mechanism to win the hearts of the people. And you see this with all of the communists, you see this with Stalin, particularly, who banned all charitable activities in Soviet Russia, because the idea is the government can tolerate no rivals for the hearts of the people. So Bible studies, food kitchens, counseling services, um hospitals, it all has to be taken over by the state, so the state becomes the merciful father who loves the people. But but the idea is wait, that's what we were told to do. That we were told to actually exercise merciful.

Scott Allen 15:58

And they have a vision and a passion to disciple the nations that puts the church to shame. Yeah. If you haven't, to our listeners, uh Chris Rufo wrote a book a couple of years ago called America's um, what is it, America's Cultural Revolution that does a pretty good job of, I would say quite good job of telling this history that we're talking about now. But Seth, I wanted to jump into the history of the sexual revolution and the birth control movement and planned parenthood. That's the subject of the 1960 project. And we we were fond of saying at the DNA, you know, that um, you know, we we talk about paradigms, move to principles, move to policies and practices, and I think a lot of times we focus too much on policies and practices because that's what's around us, that's what's shaping us. But in order to change policies and practices, you have to go back to these principles and paradigms, these worldviews and the ideas behind them. And that's exactly what you do so well in this film. You get back to the ideas behind the policies, you know, the like Roe v. Wade and all the pro-abortion policies that we're trying to change right now. Yep. Uh talk a little bit about that history just briefly. I mean, I I want to dive into it in some um, you know, at some points and just kind of pick into that a little bit, because you you bring up names that I hadn't heard of before in here. I want to talk about it, but but just give just give us the thumbnail sketch of that that history that you're tracing in the 16th uh excuse me, 1916 project. And by the way, don't get it wrong. And by the way, talk about the significance of 1960s.

Speaker 17:30

60% of the people who've interviewed me since the film came out did exactly that. So I don't want you to feel bad. I did that intentionally. I wanted it people to think it was the 1619 project. Um but yeah, I mean, exactly, right? Get get get past the policies and the procedures and get to the ideas, right? Right. And that I love that, I love how you put that. Like I love how um my friend Nancy Pearcy puts it. She says once a society once a society accepts a worldview, it tends to work out the logical consequences. Totally. This process may proceed or slowly, but because we are rational beings created in God's image, we tend to live out the implications of our convictions. In other words, let me let me rephrase that. Ideology is a hell of a drug.

Speaker 2 18:08

Yes.

From Malthus To Sanger: The Lineage

Speaker 18:09

Um and it it it it will shape cause you to walk the ideological tiles and path that have been predetermined according to that worldview, whether you realize it or not. So so powerful, Scott. Absolutely. Yeah, so the sexual revolution, what a bunch of freaking kooks, huh? Um, and yet none of it's new. Okay, diddling the kids, um, orgies, um, orgasms without responsibility, child sacrifice is the inevitable, inevitable conclusion of laissez faire, free the libido, Jacobin, um, orgyastic delights. Like, none of that's new. Um, okay, and that's what my second film's getting into, really. But like what we're seeing in the sexual revolution, what we're seeing in the early 20th century, um, with a lot of what I call, I call them the architects of the culture of death, um, pontiffs of progressivism is another good one, high priests of humanism is another good one. Um, what we're seeing there is not progressive. Um, it's regressive, it's a renaissance of paganism, and that's part of the problem, right? You were saying, like, we we don't know this stuff, we've forgotten this stuff. Even you, Scott, said I was learning some stuff, right? Like, and and it's like, whoa, how much have we forgotten as the church? When we look at these ideas and we go, wow, that's unprecedented. Drag queen story hour, that's unprecedented. No, it's not unprecedented. It actually has a lot of precedent. Um, and child sacrifice has always been the foundation of a teetering empire, by the way. Nearly every civilization in human history exercised human sacrifice at one point or another until this incredible religion called Christianity came around and started saying, you know, we worship the capital El Logos, the divine logic of the universe, um, who became a fetus, and therefore all human beings have the Imago Dei. They have dignity actually, and you can't just abuse them. And the church is gonna stand up and defend those because that is living out the gospel. Okay, and I'm not talking about the Andy Stanley, Rick Warren, Tim Keller gospel that just proclaims the rhetorical articulation of what the gospel means, but doesn't actually live it out in a city that's sodomizing children and trying to legalize porn. No, I'm talking about living out the gospel and standing for the least of these. And so Christianity begins to furnish the concept of children's rights for the West. But what we're seeing is a renaissance of paganism. And so it's not a coincidence that Sanger and her allies in the early 20th century begin to have cultural success that coincidentally happens to align with the retreat of the church in the early 20th century. I want to make a statement on this podcast right now. I've only said a few times. The first 1900 years of church history stands as an indictment against the last 100.

Scott Allen 20:28

Say that again.

Speaker 20:29

The first 1900 years of church history stands as an indictment against the last 100.

Scott Allen 20:35

And explain what you're saying.

Speaker 20:36

Yeah, so so of course, uh we could, you know, we could have George Grant or Bill Federer on here or David Barton, and of course, we could identify um, or or neil, or Neil Ferguson or uh uh or Paul Johnson, and we could we could identify some other era eras of history where the church really failed, right? Really screwed up. But by and large, it's it is a it is a beautiful tapestry of faithfulness. By and large, the church understood for the first 1900 years since Christ ascended before giving us the Great Commission, which also I want to say is a recapitulation of the Dominion Mandate. Okay, that the that that's super important. We could spend an hour on that if you wanted to. Those are not disconnected. The Dominion Mandate in the first two chapters of the Bible um and the Great Commission, it's the same freaking commandment. It's just said in different words. But um, but for the first 1900 years of church history, the church by and large didn't sever uh metaphysics from physics, uh uh spiritual um realities from physical realities. Uh, in fact, the church rejected Gnosticism um because the resurrection meant that the physical world matters to God uh and it ought to matter to God's people. And so that touches everything. Like behold, it is good. I I I put all things under your feet, exercise dominion, fill the earth, subdue it. That means like Christians should be involved in everything. And and and this whole concept of like, you know, the least valued thing in Roman law in ancient Rome was um was children, babies, uh fetuses, and slaves, and women, uh, by and large. Because ancient Romans thought that your value, your Dignity, your your rights were connected to this concept called logos. This gets profound. Okay. This was the thing that freeborn males and ancient Roman philosophers valued as the highest human good. Your logos, which means your rationality, your self-awareness, your consciousness, your ability to govern yourself. Okay, moral accountability and language. And yet, what are we told in John 1? The logos became flesh. And so, but he takes the form of the least valued thing in Roman society, unborn babies who had no legal rights. In ancient Rome, unborn babies' fetuses were considered part of the mother's body, guys. And so now you have the divine logic of the universe, the logos himself, who takes on the form of a fetus. This revolutionizes our understanding of human dignity, of equal rights. So that's the answer to your question. For the first 1900 years, the church basically lurked that out.

Scott Allen 22:52

Created a culture or a civilization, right, that was deeply grounded in biblical, you know, virtues and values. But you're right, over the last hundred years, we kind of gave up on that. We retreated into our churches. Yep. We had this negative view of nations and cultures, they're just going to be destroyed. What's the point? Let's just get people saved and get them into church into heaven. And so when we did that, you're right. You know, we essentially abandoned the playing field, if you will, and that was immediately taken over by people like Margaret Sanger.

Speaker 23:24

Yeah.

Scott Allen 23:25

Uh the neo-Marxists. They're very happy to create a culture and institutions according to their demonic worldviews.

Speaker 23:32

So I'll ask your questions now. You want to know about Sanger. Sorry. I was setting it up by saying it's not a coincidence that their success, her and her friend's success in destroying the foundations of the West and laying siege to those foundations, which always harms women and children first.

Scott Allen 23:47

Lines up perfectly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, perfect.

Eugenics, Darwinism, And Race

Speaker 23:49

But Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist, neo-Malthusian, Darwinist, uh, and neo-Marxist. And uh she uh would have her husband in one wing of the house while sleeping with other men, while making her husband phone her from the other side of the house before he was allowed to come over and be in bed with her. She whined and dined the the Rockefellers and the George Sorosas and Bill Gates of that era. She was an incredible fundraiser and networker. She was demonic, she was evil. Um, and her secular discipleship, because we were talking about discipling the nations, right? The Great Commission, that always happens in the inverse, as Scott and Luke, you guys have so beautifully um said. Her mentor, for a little, I know you said you wanted a little bit of the history. Her mentor uh and probably her favorite man um was named Havlock Ellis. Um I have a bunch of um the birth control reviews, which for your listeners, it was her magazine, the magazine of planned parenthood. She even launched it before the organization had a C3 status before it was it was formed. And she would have all of her friends write all these revolutionary ideas about Marxism and freeing the libido and women's rights and uh and all the things.

Scott Allen 24:55

She was just really a radical kind of atheist progressive, wasn't she? I mean, she was in New York City, like you say, she was really right at the center of that kind of radical, the most radical part of that progressive movement during that time. Yeah, in Greenwichville.

Speaker 25:09

Which which is where a lot of the evil agendas come out of that have kind of destroyed the West.

Scott Allen 25:13

Um you you go all the way back though to Charles Darwin and Thomas Malthus and the the early eugenics movement, and you know, kind of you start in some ways there. Talk about the connection between those two. Yeah. The early eugenics movement and Margaret Sanger.

Speaker 25:28

Yeah, yeah. So actually, so I'll actually finish the thought because the lineage I'm tracing goes right to Malthus and Darwin, who you just asked me about. So I think your listeners might appreciate this. So so um Sanger, um, because she was breaking the obscenity laws at the time, uh, like where you're not allowed to send porn and filth in the mail, uh, she was gonna be arrested in 1914, guys. And so rather than be arrested, she she has her socialist friends in the New York labor movement forge her a passport. She basically ships her kids off to her friend, says, watch my children. And she flees to England and uh she becomes the first Kamala Harris, meaning she sleeps her way up the levers of political power. Um, and she jumps into bed with several people, including H.G. Wells, who wrote War of the Worlds. Yes, but also a guy named Havlock Ellis. Um, you've probably discussed Alfred Kinsey on this show with your listen listeners. Um, we could do you and I could do 90 minutes right now just on Kinsey, but I I won't do that. So Havelock Ellis was the Kinsey of England. Okay. So he hosted Orgies in his home. He forced his wife.

Scott Allen 26:32

When was he doing his work? 1950s and 1950s. 40s and 50s, yeah.

Speaker 26:35

So Havlock Ellis would host Orgies in his home, make his wife uh watch him, force his wife into lesbianism. She eventually lost her mind um and went crazy. So so she's she jumps in bed with Havelock Ellis. They begin a sexual, political, uh sort of mentorship weird relationship. Um, and he coaches her journey back to New York City uh and advises her on how to open that first birth control clinic in 1916. But here's where it gets interesting. Okay, so who was Havlock Ellis discipled by? Right? This is why this is so fascinating because discipleship is inevitable, as your listeners understand. And when we don't catechize our children and raise little dragon slayers, uh the culture will catechize them into wickedness and demonic principalities. Like it actually really is that simple. Like it is that black and white. Yeah. And so always discipline. Where did where did Havlock Ellis get his ideas from? Who was he influenced by? Okay, well, he was pen pals and a sort of a protege of a guy named Francis Galton. Um, Francis Galton was the modern father of the eugenics movement. And listen, guys, listen, he coined the freaking term. The word eugenics was invented by Francis Galton, who was writing pen pal letters with Have Luck Ellis, Sanger's favorite sex friend and political mentor, who advised her in her organization and the founding of the largest and best funded 501c3 in human history, the largest abortion provider in the world, the largest provider of comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools, and now the largest provider of trans drugs for teens, Planned Parenthood. So, so Havelock Ellis was mentored by Galton. And in these letters, he tells Galton he will do his best to forward the eugenic theories in his writings. Okay. So, but guess what? Francis Galton. Yeah, well, I mean, I like how Chesterton said it. He said if Darwinism was the doctrine of the survival of the fittest, then eugenics was the doctrine of the survival of the nastiest. Um, because who who's left alive behind the aims of eugenics? Very nasty, horrible people. Right. But yeah, for your listeners, eugenics is basically, well, the root word of eugenics means good in birth. So the belief is there are some people who are good in birth and some people who are bad in birth. So some people have good genes, bad genes, uh, and we want to create really, really, really the goal of the eugenesis guys for 150 years or more has been to create the ubermensch. Right. Okay, not the mensch, the uber, ubermensch, the superman, the superhuman. Um, and so that's very Hitlerian, obviously. So, anyway, so but guess what? Who was Galton's cousin?

Scott Allen 29:02

Yeah, it was super Darwin! Darwin, right? I knew they were related.

Speaker 29:05

Yeah, that was his half-cousin.

Scott Allen 29:07

So Darwin was the one that said human beings are essentially animals, and then that connects to, well, then we can breed them to create kind of the super race horse. Yeah. Right? And get rid of the ones that are weak, right? So which are harming the gene pool.

Speaker 29:20

They're preventing us from from uh sort of uh improving ourselves. But what's fascinating, Scott, is that Galton wrote, was already applying his cousin, Darwin, ideas in his own eugenic theories before Darwin wrote The Descent of Man. Because obviously Origin of Species is just a lot of observation and it's kind of a weird book. Um it it it later in Descent of Man, Darwin does the explicit work you can see of applying his observations, quote unquote, in Origin of Species and saying, well, let's apply that to human beings in the descent of man. But what a lot of people miss is he had already inspired his cousin Galton, who coined the term eugenics and is the modern father of the eugenics movement, to begin applying those ideas to human beings before Darwin even wrote The Descent of Man. And and then who was Darwin inspired by? Who did he look back at? Who was he influenced by? Thomas Malthus, who was this English clergyman. People don't, some people don't know. He was an English clergyman. Uh, and he was the first person to say, oh my gosh, um, there's too many people on planet Earth. Okay, this is like this is like orthodoxy in the modern left today, this belief that we have an overpopulation problem and eventually we're gonna have massive starvation unless we figure out a way to decrease the the procreation. We don't have an overpopulation problem, by the way. We have an underpopulation problem. But uh, but uh it was Malthus who first said that. And so when Sanger flees to England, she before she jumps in bed with Havelock Ellis, she got involved with the England Neo-Malthusian League. Well, who's what what what does that refer to? The Neo-Malthusians. Malthus, the raw Thomas Malthus. So anyway, so yeah, we go from we go from there's too many people in the world.

Scott Allen 30:58

We've got too many people, we've got to get rid of people through control. Exactly.

Speaker 31:01

So that's a that's just a that's we just scratched the surface. But that yeah, so so Sanger looked, so my but my point is this we went awfully quickly from man is an animal to obliterate the unfit, to orgies and sexual weirdness to child sacrifice. And yes, I was explaining Darwin, Galton, Havlock Ellis, Sanger. Um, and and and those re those movements represent four people who each mentored or slept with the others. So yeah.

Lothrop Stoddard And Nazi Ties

Scott Allen 31:34

You mentioned another person that I'd never heard of in the film, um, Lothrop Stoddard. I was fascinated by him. Talk a little bit about who he is and what role he plays in this history, because uh he ties this directly to the Nazi movement, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 31:51

Do you do you is your listeners only audio or is this video for your listeners?

Luke Allen 31:56

Uh it's audio. Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 31:58

Okay, I was gonna say I could go get the German translated edition of Lothrop Stoddard's book and show you um how how the Nazis borrowed from his language. Anyway, so I I have behind me a first edition. I it got shipped from Germany, it was the only one I was able to find for sale online. Lothrop Stoddard is one of the more disturbing, um, disgusting, and completely forgotten members of the early sexual revolution in the 20th century, the Darwinists, the neo-Malthusians, the the racists. Um, and all those ideas, by the way, sure, did did they did they deceive some people on the right, meaning the conservative-ish side? Yeah, a few of them. But was that a right-wing phenomenon? No, no, Darwinism, eugenics, racism, uh, neo-malthusianism, okay, all of these ideas were left-wing phenomenons. They were being driven by, forwarded by. Oh, yeah, architected by and planned by radical leftists. And so after she comes back, uh, and this is what leads to Stoddard, she comes back to Greenwich Village, she opens her first illegal birth control clinic in 1916. It gets shut down by the authorities because she's doing and uh performing and doing basically illegal birth control methods that were banned at the time. And of course, she did she set it up in Brownsville, where a bunch of the minorities live, not in Greenwich Village, where all the rich white people uh live, where the show Friends was filmed. So that's that's interesting. Ha ha ha ha. Why didn't she set it up in her own neighborhood? Well, it's too many white people, the people she wants having more kids. Um, and so and then in 1921, she founds the organization, the American Birth Control League, later renamed Planned Parenthood, same organization. Um, I have a lot of the like scans and um uh photos, uh and mostly scans, of a bunch of the original documents um of the founding of Planned Parenthood of the magazine, the Birth Control Review, announcing the establishment of the American Birth Control League with the list of their founding board members. Uh, and so J like you know, this is actually pretty simple for the listeners. Like, if you want to know a lot about me and my ministry, the White Rose Resistance, you know, you can go research my board members. If you, if you, if you know the kind of the ideas and characteristics and interests and passions of a of an organization's board of directors, uh it tells you a lot about what the founder and people believe. Like, you can this is not difficult, guys. Okay, so who was one of the founding board members of Planned Parenthood? Lothrop Stoddard. Um, in 1921, he sat in that position for years. He was a professor, wasn't he, at Harvard or something?

Scott Allen 34:28

Yes, he was.

Speaker 34:29

Yep, yep, yep. He did his dissertation basically on eugenics. Um, and and he there was a chair for eugenics at hard people forget this. There was a chair in eugenics at Harvard for a while. Um, but yeah, so Lothrop Stoddard, guys, was none other than the exalted cyclops of the Massachusetts KKK chapter.

Scott Allen 34:46

Wow, that's right.

Speaker 34:48

Now, most people that's that's weird for them to hear. They're like, Massachusetts?

Scott Allen 34:52

Yeah.

Speaker 34:52

Isn't that too far north to have right, right? Most people think that they're like, that's too far north for the KKK to be operating. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, he he was referred to as the exalted cyclops. I have the the original source book back here that that refers to him as that. That's a little forgotten piece of history. Uh his his writings on eugenics were okay, let's call him like one of the intellectual fathers of the KKK. Like, like his writings were were disseminated um and and read and recommended by KKK members.

Scott Allen 35:21

Um and so and there was so much racism at that time. You know, you think of um, oh, who's the the president? Woodrow Wilson, right? Coming out of Princeton right around the same time, deeply racist. Gnarly, huh?

Speaker 35:32

Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah. I know. So Lothrop Stoddard, he um he he wrote a couple books. Okay. Uh well he wrote more than one. He wrote more than two, but the two or three that deserve mentioning. He wrote a book called Um The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy. So uh fairly specific gentleman. Um he wrote another book called Um The Revolt Against Civilization, The Menace of the Underman. And it is that book behind me that I have uh in this orange one here that I have uh in the original German translation, a translation that the Nazi Party paid to have translated into German.

Scott Allen 36:22

Yeah, I just want our listeners to I just want to underscore what you're saying, that deep connection between the Nazi Party and their ideology and Harvard University and Lothrop Stoddard, a lot of these ideas were incubated, I hate to say it, in our own country. Oh, dude.

Anti‑Racism Paradox Explained

Speaker 36:36

That's what well I I'm gonna tell you some more. And at the end of this uh soapbox, if if uh if well, you should probably interrupt me because I won't get to any of the interview questions. We just need to do two hours together next time, gentlemen. But but we'll come away with this conclusion that the Nazis looked to American leftists in eugenesis for the inspiration for their playbook. That that's that'll be the takeaway here. And so Stoddard, uh uh yeah, the Nazis are like, man, we love this, man. Um, and uh so they paid to have that translated into German. And guess how they translated the second half of that book's title, The Menace of the Underman. Uh Underman got translated into Untermenschen. Um now this became the title of Heinrich Himmler's um famous Nazi propaganda uh book, but it was more like a magazine that I have an original uh edition actually of the of uh Untermensch, uh Himmler's magazine. Um and so to my to my knowledge, and I I've I've really tried to verify this, I've asked other historians, um, it seems as if the Nazis did not begin to use or popularize the phrase Untermenschen until they were inspired by, had read, and had translated Margaret Sanger's founding board members' book into German. And Stoddard's, here's another interesting thing, Stoddard's um books end up becoming assigned reading in a lot of Nazi schools um during the time that Hitler is the chancellor. So and then watch this. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He gets invited to the Third Reich while while he's still on the board of Bland Baron. He gets invited um and he meets with Fritz Saukel, Robert Leigh, Heinrich Himmler, um, and he has a relation, they were all connected relationally.

Scott Allen 38:29

I'm sure they all supported each other. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 38:32

And and and and Stoddard, guys, has a brief meeting with Adolf Hitler one-on-one in a private room behind closed doors, um, and he writes about it in a book. Because Stoddard, when he comes back, he writes a book called Into the Darkness, Nazi Germany Today. And the whole book is about his time in Nazi Germany. He even helped, oh, that's right. Sanger's board member even helped advise a um a court, a Nazi court, a eugenics court, to reach a positive verdict in sterilizing certain Jews while he was there, Sanger's board member. Um he is the only American I know of, Scott. He's the only American I know of. I think he's the only American to have had a one-on-one, face-to-face meeting with Adolf Hitler after he rose to power.

Scott Allen 39:22

Just to connect dots here for our listeners again, he's the founding board member of what became Planned Parenthood. And we, all of us in the United States, myself, you, uh, we all fund this organization through our taxes.

Speaker 39:36

Yep, demonic.

Scott Allen 39:38

It's crazy. I mean, I just want to the the the connection with the history of the Nazi Party and the fact that this is still I want to ask you a question that's I I'm just so curious your answer to this question. You know, he's Lothrop Stoddard, you know, is a a a grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, deeply racist. And Margaret Sanger the same. They viewed black people as subhuman. And right, the early Planned Parenthood clinics were all in neighborhoods where they could, you know, they were in, you know, minority neighborhoods, black and brown. Okay, now fast forward to today because the the so-called anti-racists today, right? You know, are right? Uh Hillary Clinton, you quote her in the film as saying, I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, right? I mean, she's loud and proud, anti-racist. Help me make sense of this. How are the people that are the the the the the quote unquote anti-racists today uh fighting against white supremacy? How are they so excited about Margaret Sanger? I I can can you help me with that?

Speaker 40:47

Yeah, it's because it's actually spiritual. It's actually fundamentally demonic. There's no other way to explain it. Okay, so the confusion you're expressing, and Scott, you actually know the answers because you're super smart, but you're asking me so your listeners get the get the benefit of it. I don't think so.

Scott Allen 41:00

Actually, I don't. I think it's yeah.

Speaker 41:03

But yeah, thank you. For your listeners. So listen, okay. Um, what you're explaining has become a very interesting phenomenon in recent years. The phenot the observation being like, wait, that's weird. That's super weird, Seth. Like, why do those people uh express those views when the things they support are the opposite of the views they're expressing? Wait, I'm so confused by this, right? Like, that's what you're expecting. And we see this all the time, by the way, right? So, like, like let's see. Um, why would New York City uh Democratic Socialist, left-wing, sodomite liberals who think Obama is a new savior, why would they vote for a man who's an Islamist jihadist whose religion says the best way to treat homosexuals is to kick them off of buildings?

Scott Allen 41:49

Yeah, it's a good good example. So that's a good one, right?

Speaker 41:51

Like you're like, wait a second, but then if a baker says, I don't want to bake a three-layer cake for your sodomite wedding, we they call him a fascist and say we should ruin his life. So who's a greater threat to, if I can just use a leftist term for a second, who's a greater threat to quote unquote homosexual rights? The the baker who says, just leave me alone, I don't want to bake a cake for your gay wedding, or the religion that says the best way to treat homosexuals is to kick them off of six-story buildings. But all of the most radical leftists who love the rainbow cult, um, most of them live in New York City and they voted for a guy. So you're like, wait, that doesn't make sense, right? Or like when when Obama ran on expressing a view for the biblical view of marriage, that marriage is only the union of a man and a woman, and then he celebrates the decision that redefines that and lits the White House in rainbows. And so you're like, wait, so the libs are fine with the the guy who said marriage is a man of a union of one man and one woman, but then if if a pastor says that, we call him a bigot and a homophobe. I don't understand. So, like what what you're saying, it's the same, it's all the same thing. Being, I don't understand this. These seem like very strange bed partners, right? Politics makes for strange bed partners. Guess what make guess what else makes for strange bed partners? Demonic principalities. There's no other way to explain it. Why? Because and so what becomes the common denominator, for example, let's say, between like Islamist jihadists and radical leftists, that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That becomes the unifying principle. They're all, here we go, they're all Christophobes. They're all christophobes. And so they will they will you they will unite with anyone that wants to silence, destroy, and demean the blood bought bride of Christ and the king that he that they follow. So that becomes a unifying principle in a lot of these sort of um battles. Uh we again we're gonna be able to do that. I agree with you.

Scott Allen 43:46

I do think at the root it's done it's demonic. I do think there's such blinders, though. I was talking to a friend of mine several years ago at kind of the beginning of the woke revolution 2019, 2020, and he was talking about how racism is so Deeply on the rise today, and we're we've got to be so alert and sensitive to this new racism that's coming on the stage. And I said, you know, the the the biggest racist that I know of is Margaret Sanger, and her ideas haven't been discredited. She's still lauded, you know, awards are given in her name. We fund her organization. So if you're concerned about racism, shouldn't you be concerned about all of that that hasn't been discredited yet? And uh he was completely unaware, unaware of this history, and that's again, I just want you to know how to do it.

Speaker 44:30

It's called intellectual laundering, guys. None of these ideas have um actually been discredited, destroyed, or dismissed. They've been redefined and laundered into um the neo-Marxist canon or into just what what if you want to call it the modern left. Okay. Um nothing has fundamentally changed. It's just it's just a different costume. Um, your your question, the where where I was adding to it, expressing like, wait, I don't understand how those people are together. Right. Your question was about like the wait, wait, the anti-racists are like teaming up with Planned Parenthood. Remember when BLM, Black Lives Matter Incorporated, I was following them and researching them before George Floyd. Okay. And they used to have on their website language they later scratched, um, that that that talked about reproductive healthcare and standing with women's rights, and and they were they had Planned Parenthood logos as a sponsor on the BLM website. Uh later, the one of the co-founders of BLM, uh, Alicia Garza, she co-founded a organization with the former president of Planned Parenthood, Cecile Richards, who recently died of cancer. And they they launched an organization called Supermajority to raise up a bunch of pissed off 20-something feminists to defeat the mean tweeting orange man to defeat Trump. And so you're like, wait, one of the one of the Black Lives Matter founders is like best friends with the with the former president of Planned Parenthood? That's weird, right? It's it's all the same phenomenon you're explaining.

Scott Allen 45:52

You know, the role of abortion in the black community and how many people are killed through abortion in the black community, and it just puts the lie to Black Lives Matter. They don't care about Black Lives, right? It was all a marketing.

Speaker 46:02

But so that's the answer, Scott. So the answer, I was trying to set up the spiritual frame of reference for all this, but the answer is back to what we did discussed with Carol Quigley, with posing as the benefactors of the people, with using mercy as a mechanism to win the hearts of the people right before you screw them, right? That's actually the answer. It's Machiavellian. They don't, you know, Machiavelli talked about like it's it's better to pretend to be virtuous than to actually be virtuous. It's better to pretend to be a Christian than to actually be a Christian, because then you can speak like those that the public trusts, but you're vicious and ruthless enough to retain power and kick those virtues to the curb when needed to become a quote unquote prince, right? This is the whole Machiavellian idea. And that that's totally imbibed by the left today. They pretend to care about whoever the new proletariat is. They'll use it. So it's no longer those crushed by the heel of capitalism. It's those crushed by the heel of Christendom, of heteronormativity, of sexual mores. They've swapped the victim classes, and it's still a way to pit people against another. One with power, one without power, one's the oppressed, one's the oppressor. They've continued to use this language, and that's really the that's like your highest level 60-second overview of kind of uh cultural Marxism. Uh, and so that that's the answer. They they don't actually, most of these people don't actually care about these alleged victim classes, but posing as the benefactors of alleged victim classes is is a great way to accrue power.

Scott Allen 47:28

Oh no, the morality is very if your goal is power and control, yeah, morality is a great kind of uh tool or lever to to you know to to pull, and that's what they do. Uh Seth, I'd like to shift gears now a little bit and talk about the church in the United States, the evangelical church. Um uh our friend and mentor here at the DNA, Darrow Miller, he's fond of saying if the church doesn't disciple the nation, the nation will disciple the church. And I feel like that's nowhere more evident than on this very subject of sexuality, birth control. Yeah. Um I remember, you know, when I was marrying my wife, we went through premarital counseling, and and it was just assumed that we would use birth control and the whole kind of set of assumptions behind all of this, I mean, without, you know, of course, all the gross and explicit stuff, but the but the whole birth control kind of ethos was just completely accepted and wasn't even questioned. And I don't think that's changed much in the last 30 years, right? Um right, the the the evangelical church is now quite strongly pro-abortion, but it seems like it's walled that off and separated that a little bit from just the whole sexual revolution, this history, birth control. Um would you like I'm I'd like your thoughts on that? Do you see it the same way I do? This just blinders that um and and uh w what do you think causes that if that's the case?

Speaker 48:49

Um okay. So way to open a can of worms. Sorry.

Scott Allen 48:54

I can't can of worms I want to open with you, sis.

Speaker 48:57

I can go a little bit past an hour, but let's have fun here.

Scott Allen 49:00

Um as a whole and I do want to get onto one last kind of moving into application before we're done.

Speaker 49:05

So it takes me some time to build my case, okay? So that's why we should probably have done two hours together, but that's okay, gentlemen. Um so yeah, um birth control, the church. Okay, so um, first of all, let me add another um uh aspect on Sanger as it relates to what you just asked, um, very briefly. Um hey guys, if you're listening to this right now, do you know where the term birth control came from? Do you know who coined that term? Margaret Sanger coined that term.

Scott Allen 49:32

Yeah.

Speaker 49:32

Now, the the the term contraception, both as an idea and as a practice, has been around for a long time. But the term birth control was invented, coined by Margaret Sanger. So just just like slow down. Just it's okay, don't turn off ideas have consequences, friends. If you're listening, just slow down for me for one second. Let's go after the sacred cow you're not allowed to talk about in the Christian church, birth control, right? Not planning your fertility. That's like, woo, right? Like pastors love to talk about stewardship of your family, stewardship of your business, stewardship of your finances, stewardship of your friends. But if you talk about stewardship of your procreation or fertility, like half your church is gonna rip your head off. It's like the one thing you're not allowed to talk about. So I just want people to pause for a second and consider this thought. Should it concern you, just a tiny little bit, that the woman who coined the term birth control and is called the mother of the birth control movement is also the founder of Planned Parenthood. And how did she define birth control? Oh, wait, I have it for you. Here's Margaret Sanger. Quote Birth control means the cultivation and release of the better racial elements in our society and the gradual suppression, elimination, and eventual extinction of defective stocks, those human weeds who threaten the blossoming of the finest flowers of American civilization. One more, she said birth control is not, this is Sanger speaking, birth control is not contraception, thoughtlessly and indiscriminately practiced. Birth control means the cultivation and release of the better racial elements in our society. It is not contraception, she says, thoughtlessly and indiscriminately practiced. So birth control, when it was invented, the term and the movement, it was one in the same with two aims that have become core to liberalism in the modern left today. Why was birth control created? Why was the term coined, and what was the movement about? Two things creating the Uber Menschin, superhumans, and how do you do that? By decreasing, eliminating, and putting out of procreation those weaker vessels that you don't like. And what was the second aim of the birth control movement as as it was defined by its architects, freeing the libido? Sex without babies, orgasms without responsibility.

Scott Allen 51:53

Yeah, this isn't part of Margaret Sanger. She almost worshipped sex. It was a kind of a way of creating a utopia, you know.

Speaker 52:01

Yeah, well, I mean Wilhelm Reich was expressing these things around the same time. But but yeah, Sanger talked about sex as sort of a way back into paradise. Like that this is a very important thing. Way back to paradise. This is not a new paradise.

Scott Allen 52:12

It was just this unhinged libido. You're exactly right, Seth.

Contraception, Courts, And Culture

Speaker 52:15

So, so, okay, so so we in the United States have a dying population. We don't replace ourselves, it's literally a dying country. There are fewer and fewer Americans every single year, which is why we have to replace those, by the way, um, with who are not being born with mass migration. So you've got a dying country with a dying Western civilization. And then so what does contraception mean? It means divorcing sex from the purpose of sex, from the natural ends of sex, which is procreation. So which means what? It means decadent behavior. It means ignoring consequences, right? Orgasms without responsibility. It means it means being more promiscuous. It means what that what does it mean to be more promiscuous mean? It means more broken hearts, it means it means more Me Too movements, it means uh more uh using human beings just as vessels for our own pleasure, right? Because we don't have to take responsibility for the babies because we've divorced that act from procreation, rather than actually giving fully of ourselves to another person in holy matrimony through a love that's so real, comprehensive, and unitive, gentlemen, that sometimes nine months later it requires a name. Uh it mean thing it means things going wrong if you criticize the sexual revolution. And if you were one of the people who says, you like, like, you know, I'm sure your listeners have been like, wow, this stuff's crazy that's going on in the 21st century, man. This is crazy. Can you believe what they're teaching kids in the elementary school? Like, where did that come from? Did that pop out of thin air? Don't worry, just let me finish this thought because it goes through your birth control question. Did that just pop out of thin air? Or did that come from somewhere else? Well, no, it obviously came from somewhere else. This is this is the ideas have consequences podcast, for goodness sake. That this crazy sexual revolution didn't appear overnight, guys. Uh so the agenda, I guess if we're tracing ideas, it probably comes from the radical LGBT agenda, more broadly, I would guess, right? Which denies the difference between men and women. Okay, good, good guys. Okay, stuff, keep going. Okay, so so when when was that enshrined? Well, I guess that was enshrined in um the redefinition of marriage, which was a decision from the Supreme Court. Um, yeah, totally agree. That makes sense. Keep going. Okay, well, I guess, I guess the premise that men and women are exactly the same and indiscernible and superfluous and can substitute one for the other. Um, I guess that comes from, well, I guess feminism, yeah, I guess I guess that comes from feminism, which says men and women are pretty much the same. Those early feminist guys said a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. Um, and so that okay, so so what else though? Where does the sexual revolution come from? Unless we're going all the way back to the serpent. What was the single event that upended sexual mores and behavior in the United States? It was the advent of contraception. And not just the advent of contraception, it's like a scientific discovery, guys, right? Because that's always been around. Uh that's been true for all of history, right? We we flatter ourselves into thinking that like we invent everything and nothing new under the sun, but we don't. A lot of these things have been uh seen throughout history, but just maybe less effective in the past. The the big change in the early 20th century was not a technological discovery, guys. Uh it it or sorry, it was not a it was not a like a practical new method. It was the technological discovery, implementation, and codification of birth control. The big change was the cultural mainstreaming of legalized enshrining of birth control.

Scott Allen 55:18

Aaron Powell And that came straight into the church, the evangelical Bible-believing church, without hardly uh like you know, and we don't talk about this in the church, guys, right?

Speaker 55:26

Like, I guess the founding fathers they missed something, right?

Scott Allen 55:29

The culture of the name the the nation discipling the church, not the other way around. Yeah.

Speaker 55:33

So our founding fathers, they just missed the sacred right to artificial contraception, right? It must have been somewhere somewhere in invisible link, right? So the Supreme Court, the liberal Supreme Court in 1965, in 1965, just invented that supposed right out of whole cloth. And they said, Yeah, it's in the Constitution somewhere, I don't know, somewhere between the first and the second amendments. I don't know. Um but the that yeah, there's a right for married couples to use contraception, and that was uh Griswold uh versus Connecticut. And where was that right in the Constitution? I don't know, no one's ever shown it to me, but that's what the judges said. So I guess it's I guess that I guess it's there. And seven years later, the judges revisit the issue and they say, hey, actually, no, we got it wrong. Turns out um uh it's it's it's the right of unmarried couples to use condoms and stuff too. Um and so this this begins to prime and prepare the entire sexual revolution before Roe vs. Wade in 1973. Um and so anyway, we could that we could spend a lot of time on that. I'm grateful you asked that because remember, the woman who coined the term birth control is Margaret Sanger. She and she founded the American Birth Control League, which was later renamed Planned Parenthood. I'm not a Catholic, okay? That wasn't a Catholic like soapbox moment, but I think we as Protestants give them credit, they've been better than the evangelical church. We've screwed this up for the subject. Yeah, we've screwed this up. So anyways.

Luke Allen 56:49

I mean, I I can't I can't help but think, Seth, because you know, brass tacks moment here. I'm sure a lot of people are thinking, well, you know, no birth control, no no no, you know, use of uh what is it called, blocking contraception. Um what what do you want me to have? 21 kids. Right. Yeah, I'm sure that's the same thing.

Speaker 57:04

Yeah, they always mistake my criticism of birth control um and they conflate that with like an open womb um argument. Have you heard this? Like you should have as many children as biologically possible. Uh no, I'm not saying that the inverse of attacking the birth control movement is to have as many children as your wife can biologically handle without dying. That's not what I'm saying. I I'm saying, you know how we're commanded to submit everything to the Lord? That's uh isn't that like stewardship? Like it's all his anyways, and we do that with all of our resources. Why would we consider fertility or procreation the one area where we don't consult God? We tell him how many children we're gonna have.

Scott Allen 57:41

And if I could just add, you said there's you know, you earlier you said there's a the the dominion mandate in Genesis chapter one, two, and three is is just recapitulated in the Great Commission, and evangelicals are all about the Great Commission. That's at the center of our mission. Yeah, but we disconnect it completely from the Dominion Mandate, and especially this one part of it, you know, be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, right? Rule over it. That's the Dominion mandate, right?

Speaker 58:07

So Well, and it's given to the first humans before sin and the fall, so it applies to all people for all of time. Uh think of it as the first job description for human beings, and then it's it's it's repeated to Noah after the fall. In other words, like you screwed up, guys, but I still want you to do the Dominion Mandate thing. Um we don't talk about that.

Stewardship, Dominion, And Family

Scott Allen 58:26

Yeah, having children, you know, discipling the nations, I would say, from the Great Commission. You're you're exactly right about that, Seth. Seth, uh, we uh you've been so generous with your time, and you're right. I we could literally talk all day, and you just you're just a font of the five years. I've got ten more minutes if you want to get it. I know you're a font of knowledge on this stuff. I I guess I want to just uh Luke, are you okay too if I move kind of kind of towards our wrap-up here a little bit? Yeah, ten more minutes. Uh talk about White Rose Resistance. Um you end the film by talking about that movement in Germany. I was very moved by that story, and you know, most of us know Dietrich Bonhoeffer, are very moved by him and his ministry. Didn't know this story. So a couple of things. Tell us a little bit about the White Rose Resistance in Nazi Germany and connect it to what you're trying to do to what you are doing today here in the United States with the White Rose Resistance.

The White Rose Resistance Story

Speaker 59:20

Yeah, amen. Thank you. So we love Schindler. You know, most people love Bonhoeffer. They they love some of these stories of Christian resistance during that era in Nazi Germany. Um, but most people don't know the story of the White Rose Resistance. It was mainly a bunch of kids in their 20s. Um there was a professor who was a bit older, uh uh uh Professor Hubert. Um but most of these kids were in their 20s. Um Hans and Sophie Scholl, brother and sister, um uh Alexander Schmirel, um, Willie Graf, um, and several others. And yeah, some of them were steeped um early on in their teenage years in sort of uh German romanticism and enlightenment thinking. Um, but most of them came to the Lord, and Sophie in particular was incredibly outspoken about her faith in her letter. We have all these letters, right? It's incredible to study this movement, letters between her and her family, her and her brother, her and her kind of boyfriend. Um and they were, yes, people of their time, right? We all have to look at people in their own cultural context. Um, but they were by and large believers, and Sophie was certainly the most inspirational. And so in 1942, uh a tw this 21-year-old named Sophie was walking the sidewalks of Munich, Germany, and she saw a uh like a pamphlet, a leaflet on the ground, and it said leaflets of the White Rose Resistance. And so she picks it up and she's reading it, and like it's explicitly condemning the crimes of the Nazis, it's asking people to wake up. Uh, it's it's calling people to participate in active and passive forms of resistance against the Third Reich. Uh, the leaflet would say things like, Um, if you know, why do you not act? Um they would write, um, We are the White Rose Resistance, we are your bad conscience, and we will not leave you alone. What's funny is that um there's all these leftist groups today in America and in Europe. Um, they start these Facebook groups. There's a large followed one in America called the White Rose Resistance, and they explicitly name and warn people against my ministry because they all see themselves as the modern iterations of the White Rose Resistance standing against the new Hitler who was Trump. Right. That's and so that all these people have tried to co-op the White Rose Resistance. It's like hilarious, and they're all pro-Abortion, they're all Marxists, they're all atheist humanists, um, and they just ignore that whole faith side um to these to these students in Nazi Germany because you know they can't acknowledge the Christian faith. Um anyways, very strange. So I have to deal with all these weirdos around the country who are trying to use the same name. But uh Sophie's reading this leaflet and she's like, wow, this this sounds a lot like my brother Hans. He it this sounds like something he would like, one of his rants at dinner. Um, well, turns out the White Rose Resistance had not only been co-founded, it was being run by none other than her older brother Hans, uh, a 24-year-old young man who was trying to protect his little sister because he knew how dangerous political resistance was to the third right by 1942. He was trying to protect his sister Sophie, but she wanted to join. And she became the youngest member and the only female uh guys of the White Rose Resistance. And for the rest of 1942 and early the first two months of 1943, they they're writing these leaflets, staying up night, staying up late, uh, taking trains in the in the in the middle of the night to major German cities to distribute these leaflets. Think of it as a social media campaign, pre-digital age, to saturate the market with the alternative perspective to mobilize people to think differently and to act upon that. Um, and so in 1943, February 18th, Hans and Sophie walked onto the campus at the University of Munich. Now, the universities, for your listeners, they probably know this, but the universities, like the clergy, had largely been co-opted into obedience or silence. So this was a dangerous thing to do. And they start distributing their leaflets across the university outside the classrooms while class is in session. And then, right as the bell rings and classes release, Sophie runs three stories up to the third floor balcony of the University of Munich, where I stood in the filming for the 1960 project, and she throws hundreds of leaflets three stories down to the atrium below. Um, the janitor is a committed Nazi, he catches her, he calls the Gestapo. Hans and Sophie are arrested on February 18th, 1943. Um, they spend uh three or four days in prison being brutally interrogated, physically abused. They refuse to rat out any of their other friends or members of the White Rose Resistance, but unfortunately they found one of them and arrested him too. And four days later, they had their heads chopped off on a guillotine. But Sophie had a cellmate in those four days who later wrote letters to Hans and Sophie's parents telling them every final moment of their daughter's life. In fact, Hans and Sophie's courage and calm, guys, in the face of death, so disturbed their prison guards that the prison guards relaxed the rules and let Hans and Sophie meet with their parents in a side room right before they were taken to the chopping block. And uh Sophie looked her doomed mother in the eyes, or Sophie's mother looked her daughter in the eyes and said, Remember Jesus, Sophie. And Sophie said, Yes. But you too, mama. You too. Sophie's cellmate said that one of Sophie's final words before she was taken to the chopping block was she looked out her window with bars on it and said, How can we expect righteousness to prevail when there's hardly anyone willing to give themselves up individually to a righteous cause? Such a fine sunny day, and I have to go now. But what does my death matter if through us thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action? According to the executioner who murdered her guys, he was later interviewed, Sophie's final words with her head on the chopping block was the sun still shines. And Hans, like William Wallace's final words were FRIDA. That was it. They spent the next few months rounding up the other members of the White Rose Resistance and killing them too. And so right before Roby Way got overturned, I decided we're gonna put together a ministry to rebuild the White Rose Resistance for this generation against our silent but far more deadly Holocaust of abortion, to awaken the blood bot bride of Christ, to retake her mandate, her legacy, her commission to stand against evil, to contend in the cultural and political realm for righteousness, to give God a reason to show America mercy, and to build the army of Christian resistance against the same ideas in America that Hans and Sophie didn't get to see happen in their lifetime. And so that's a little bit about that story. And why we've taken that name. And this is our moment. We're really living in a last stand moment. We believe, guys, that unless the church flatulent becomes the church militant, it will become the church irrelevant. And so a few days after they were murdered, a pastor by the name of Dietrich Bonhoeffer was sitting in a coffee shop waiting for Hans Scholl to come and meet him at a meeting that had been prearranged. But Hans and Sophie had already been murdered.

Scott Allen 1:06:29

I'm so grateful that you told that story. I wasn't aware of it. It needs to be kept alive. So thank you for keeping that story alive and stirring it in our hearts again and then bringing it right here to bear on your ministry and in our country. Um, how do people connect with you, Seth, and become part of that resistance movement that you're building?

Speaker 1:06:49

Yeah, thank you, Scott. Well, hopefully we'll find a church for me in Oregon sometime, and I'll come hang out with you guys. Got plenty. I got plenty.

Scott Allen 1:06:57

Seriously. Where are your friends in Oregon? We're your resistance members in Oregon.

Speaker 1:07:01

We need to launch a resistance chapter there for sure. So yeah, we do church tours, university tours, film screening tours. We have an app with curriculum, courses, live trainings, hot seat trainings to defend your pro-life and pro-family convictions. We do a book club. Um, and so if you join at $35 a month, we call that an ally. You go to the white rose.life, the white rose.life, you see our preaching speaking schedule, our event schedule. But if you join as an ally, you get um a battle box in the mail because welcome to the war, and we're gonna turn you into a pro-life ninja. Um, and then we have an app with all of these courses and curriculums and our fills.

Scott Allen 1:07:33

All of a sudden I'm in Japan. I was in Germany so deeply there, I'm like, whoa, okay.

Speaker 1:07:37

We have like masterclass trainings and pro-life activism and pro-life apologetics training, and like there is so much on there for people to get mobilized, homeschoolers, Christian families, pastors, youth groups. And then if you join at $70 a month, that's our books in the Barracks Book Club. So we read books together every other month, every two months, and talk about them live on Zoom. We're right now we're finishing Oz Guinness's new book, um, Our Civilizational Moment. Um so that's how people can get engaged with that. The film that Scott and Luke have been so kind to ask me about, the 1916 Project, is streaming on Daily Wire Plus. Um, but when you join at $35 a month or more at the White Rose, you can watch that for free on the White Rose app. It's also a book. So if you like this conversation today with my new friends here, um there's a book called the 1916 Project, The Lying, the Witch, and the War We're In. Uh, and uh that's available pretty much anywhere you get books, and that goes way deeper than the film goes. Uh and then we're doing an incredible event in June because June is not gay rainbow month, it's life month, and we're taking back June. Um, and so it's the Last Stand Festival in Denver on June 5th and June 6th, thelaststand.com. And uh that'll be an incredible um 3,000 people we're expecting with incredible lineup of speakers like Ali Bestucki, Frank Turik, Rob McCoy, Andrew Sedra, George Grant, and we'll premiere the film The Last Stand at that festival as well. So that's how people can kind of connect with us, and then I host a show, the Seth Gruber show, two episodes a week.

Luke Allen 1:09:01

Fantastic. Wow. And uh quickly, yeah, you just mentioned that, yeah, the last stand. I just want to recommend that to people. You know, put that on your calendar. That is gonna be fun to watch. I'm so excited for that. And such an important time for that to come out fitting names.

Speaker 1:09:15

Yeah, America's 250th, right? So that's the average lifespan of a civilization, by the way, according to most historians. And we're kind of already on borrowed time. So this is our last stand moment. But uh thank you, gentlemen.

Modern White Rose: Mobilizing The Church

Scott Allen 1:09:28

Thank you. Thank you, S. Thanks for all that you're doing. I'm inspired, and uh yeah, I look forward to to jumping on board and being a part of what you're doing, and uh thank you just for taking kind of time to to come on our podcast again.

Speaker 1:09:41

Yeah, what an honor.

Scott Allen 1:09:43

All right, take care.