Ideas Have Consequences
Everything that we see around us is the product of ideas, of ideologies, of worldviews. That's where everything starts. Worldviews are not all the same, and the differences matter a lot. How do you judge a tree? By its fruits. How do you judge a worldview? By its physical, tangible, observable fruit. The things it produces. Ideas that are noble and true produce beauty, abundance, and human flourishing. Poisonous ideas produce ugliness. They destroy and dehumanize. It really is that simple. Welcome to Ideas Have Consequences, the podcast of Disciple Nations Alliance, where we prepare followers of Christ to better understand the true ideas that lead to human flourishing while fighting against poisonous ideas that destroy nations. Join us, and prepare your minds for action!
Ideas Have Consequences
Thinking Creatively About Transformation in Nicaragua | Daniel Borge & Andy Baker
Episode Summary:
Born out of both a DNA vision conference and the aftermath of Hurricane Mitch, the Nehemiah Center shows that real transformation requires more than relief—it demands a biblical worldview that shapes families, communities, and entire cultures. From creative outreach through sports and family activities to discipling over 100 families in a single year, their approach fosters reconciliation, integrity, and thriving communities. Their work with the indigenous Miskito people demonstrates how small acts of biblical living—like modeling honesty and refusing bribes—can spark lasting economic and social change.
This special episode comes from DNA's 2025 Forum in Panama, where Luke and Tim sat down with Nehemiah Center leaders, Andy Baker and Daniel Borge, who are championing biblical worldview training in the beautiful nation of Nicaragua. Hear powerful stories of paradigm shifts, and how every believer can practically play a role in discipling their families, churches, communities, and even nations.
Who is Disciple Nations Alliance (DNA)? Since 1997, DNA’s mission has been to equip followers of Jesus around the globe with a biblical worldview, empowering them to build flourishing families, communities, and nations. 👉 https://disciplenations.org/
🎙️Featured Speaker:
Andy Baker
Andy Baker has served with the Nehemiah Center in Nicaragua for nearly a decade, alongside his wife and family. Andy has dedicated himself to holistic ministry that equips pastors, disciples families, and strengthens local churches. With a passion for moving beyond Sunday worship to everyday discipleship, Andy focuses on helping leaders apply a biblical worldview in all areas of life.
Daniel Borge
Daniel Borge is a Nicaraguan pastor and facilitator with the Nehemiah Center. Before joining the Center’s staff, Daniel served as a local church pastor and experienced firsthand the life-changing impact of biblical worldview training. For the past six to seven years, he has been part of the Nehemiah Center team, where he helps equip pastors, disciple families, and lead cultural transformation initiatives.
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👉 Guest Website: Nehemiah Center: Cultivating Transformation
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Hi friends, welcome back to a special episode here on Ideas have Consequences. This is the podcast of the Disciple Nations Alliance. My name is Luke Allen, I'm the producer of this show, acting host today, and with me is Tim, my co-host and colleague and, at least for this week, roommate, because we are down here in Panama at the DNA's 2025 Global Forum, which we're Panama at the DNA's 2025 Global Forum, which we're not even 24 hours into so far, and having an excellent time. It's been such an encouragement to be down here and see so many people from around the world I think I heard 16 nations are represented here this week in Panama, people who are being the hands and feet of God, transforming their nations and discipling their nations in active ways. So it's just really fun for Tim and I to be down here and the rest of the DNA headquarters team in Panama hearing about the amazing work that God is doing around the world.
Luke Allen:Today, we want to share with you two friends that we have just met down here in Panama Andy Baker and Daniel Borges. Yeah, daniel Borges. Both of them are from Nicaragua and they serve with an amazing ministry down there that we'd like to introduce you guys to in a minute and just hear a little bit more about their story and share that with you guys and just share practical ways that God is working around the world and, as we always say here on this podcast, the power of true ideas to transform nations. These guys are seeing that in real time, so we just want to share that with you. Tim, as our acting co-host today, if you wouldn't mind introducing yourself as well as our guest today, that'd be great.
Tim Williams:Great, yeah, I am Tim and excited to be here with these guys and it's been fun, even last night to kind of hear the story, as, andy, you were making your way over to Ken who you'd never met, who 30 years ago there was a biblical worldview training conference put on through the people that you know from DNA, and all of that was a seed. It's just incredible to hear the power of biblical truth to transform people individually who then say it's not enough for this to just stay with me. I have to live in a way that's comprehensively different and because I'm living in a different way, I care about my community. It's not just, you know, I'm going to go to church worship on Sunday, but the church has to be on mission in every sector of society and we've got to get out there. So that, you know, became the Nehemiah Center and that's just been rocking and rolling for now 30 years, run by Nicaraguans and even the whole board is Nicaraguan, and you guys do just probably way too many things for us to even touch on in this short interview time, you know, but one of the things that you guys are really focused on is strengthening pastors, who oftentimes do not have a lot of training. They are maybe one of the only ones who can read and have access to a Bible, and so they are given an opportunity to lead a church and encouraged to, you know, send some remuneration back to the denomination or whatnot, but without a lot of ongoing support. And you guys have profoundly supported these individuals and they're incredibly grateful. I think your most current count of what you're doing right now, just at this moment, is working with more than 85, maybe 87 pastors, churches, just in that realm, but that's only one piece of what you do.
Tim Williams:You've also been, you know, really impacted, and you talked with me about how you see, in culture, people and we have in our own culture, right like big lies that people live according to. They go to church on Sunday, they walk out of church and then they have a different, alternate experience. It's disconnected from the Bible, but one that grieves your heart and that, you see, it impacts many people is this wrong view of masculinity, machismo, where there's this false belief that men are superior, men are different than women, but they're not superior to women, and so, with this, there's often abuse in the home and, you know, even so, the vast majority of those who attend church are women and not men attend. Church are women and not men.
Tim Williams:And you guys had an amazing program reaching youth. And yet the youth were coming, they were experiencing transformation and they were going home. And that was going nowhere. It wasn't being, there was no receptivity. And so then you had incredible ideas about how you can get fathers not into a church building, but whole families into programs where they can come and do fun programs, interactive programs where there's not preaching, it's limited to five minutes, strictly, and interaction is encouraged. And as the focus is, you know, not on getting them in the church, not on getting them into a worship service, not on preaching to them, but on getting them in these family situations, over several times attending, you find they're soft and responsive to the gospel and responding to the gospel. And then you're reaching the youth, you're reaching the families, you're seeing families change. So those were a couple of things in our pre-conversation that really got me excited.
Luke Allen:Yeah, andy. So just on that note, if you wouldn't mind just filling in our audience on again a little bit of your guys' background. Each of you can respond to this a little bit of your background before the Nehemiah Center and then your involvement with the DNA in your work and our connection there, and then what you guys are currently doing.
Andy Baker:Yeah, Well, thanks, tim and Luke. It's just been great to meet you guys and have the opportunity to converse a little bit today. Been great to meet you guys and have the opportunity to converse a little bit today. So, the Nehemiah Center.
Andy Baker:As Tim said, about 25, 30 years ago Nicaragua had a big hurricane, hurricane Mitch, and all of these different organizations kind of converged on Nicaragua to do relief work, clean up. You know all of those sorts of things. And what happened in the midst of all that is organizations. Some of them started talking about, hey, everybody's leaving now, but the problems aren't going away. The problems of poverty, the lack of a biblical worldview, that's all going to stay here. So how do we move forward? And there were four different organizations that got together and said you know, the long-term solution isn't throwing money at this problem. The long-term solution isn't giving handouts. The long-term solution is going to be working with local churches to help pastors build a biblical worldview in their own lives and in the lives of people that they work with. So there was the idea to have this vision conference. I think it was one of the first vision conferences that happened on Biblical Worldview and out of that, out of the excitement of that came the idea of we need an organization that's focused on this, that's focused on teaching Biblical Worldview, that's focused on building up the local church, that's focused on a holistic approach to ministry, a holistic approach to church. So that's what started our organization.
Andy Baker:I've been now in Nicaragua with my wife and our family for eight years doing a variety of things training pastors, training leaders I think we'll talk a little bit later about our work planting churches and working with the Mosquito People group but, yeah, we've seen God working in incredible ways as we work with families, as we work with pastors, as we work with youth, in doing so in a holistic way, because there's such a tendency in our culture to just focus on the spiritual and we've got to capture souls for Christ and we need to have more members of the church.
Andy Baker:But one of the things I say a lot of times is I don't care about the number of people that are sitting in a seat on Sunday. I care about what people are doing on Monday. I care about how people are using what they learn in the Bible, how they're applying it in their lives, and so that's what we're really trying to do is to get pastors to have a church that isn't just about their preaching but is about training people, developing people to live out a biblical worldview in their life in practical ways, and so I've been with the organization going on nine years now, and one of the best things our organization has done in my time there is hire Daniel Borges to come as part of our team, and I'll have him share a little bit about his experience working with the Nehemiah Center.
Andy Baker:So it's really been a blessing to me to encounter biblical worldview and to encounter a different way than the culture around me has really taught me most of my life. So now I've been with the Nehemiah Center as a facilitator for the last six or seven years, but before that I had the blessings as a pastor of a local church to participate and to learn from the Nehemiah Center. I really had an experience of things that helped transform my life and transform how I was serving and working with others and the whole experience was really a holistic transformation.
Daniel Borge:Así ha sido mi experiencia en Centro Nehemiah por estos años Una transformación propia hacia los que están a mi alrededor, como mi familia y mis hermanos, los pastores.
Andy Baker:So that's really been my experience in a phrase with the Nehemiah Center has been transformation. I've had a personal transformation. I've had a transformation in how I lead my family and I've had a transformation in how I lead others and affect change in others.
Luke Allen:Yeah, thanks, daniel. It's so interesting to see examples of how a change in mindset really does transform lives, families, communities and nations. We talk about this all the time at the DNA of the importance of understanding the Great Commission as I believe it was expected to be understood, which is what it says disciple the nations. It doesn't say go out and make converts in every nation just to save souls, and then the job's done. It says disciple the nations, and discipleship requires transformation.
Luke Allen:And what's so interesting I think, of my own country, the United States, is we see a lot of people that profess to be Christians and yet we don't see much influence of Christian principles and values. In my culture In Nicaragua, it sounds like a similar story, except there's reportedly even more Christians, I would guess, and 90% of people in Nicaragua would say they're a Christian. And yet you see on the ground, culturally, not much impact of the Bible and actually the way that people live out their lives, at least from what I'm hearing from you and what I've heard in the past. So what is so interesting about what you guys are doing at the Nehemiah Center is taking that next step of discipleship at the level of culture. If you guys wouldn't mind sharing just a few examples of, first off, where have you learned about this concept, and then how you're applying that in the cultures around you.
Andy Baker:Yeah, so a number of years ago our organization was kind of starting to lose its vision and one of the ideas our director at the time said is we need to have the entire organization on the same page. And so we put our entire staff we're talking janitors, cooks, trainers, executive staff everybody through QuorumDAO. So 26 of us went through Quorum Deo at the same time. We'd have sessions together to do the videos on Monday mornings and then everybody was in a small group during the week. So everybody on our team had about two, two and a half hours of Quorum Deo every week for about 12 weeks to really build us and put the whole team on the same page so that we could start addressing some of these things that we were seeing. And one of the things that kind of came out of this was we had, in a way, a successful youth program called Youth Discipleship that was working with about 120 youth in seven different clubs in two different states in Nicaragua. But what was happening was long term, these kids would have these amazing experiences in these clubs. They would go back to their families who weren't really Christian. Maybe mom and dad said they were Christian but they didn't live out biblical values A lot of times there was abuse, there was violence in the home, they would go back to that situation and fade away from the church. And it really taught us we're focusing on the wrong people here. We're doing great things with youth, but unless we disciple the entire family, things aren't going to change and we're not going to move forward. Family things aren't going to change and we're not going to move forward. And so we started coming up with creative ways to how do we reach entire families, and so just in this past year, we worked with 170 different youth, which is an exciting number, but to me the more important number is we actually discipled 104 entire families.
Andy Baker:Various activities, and usually I call it the carrot approach. A lot of men don't want to come to church. They don't want to hear a sermon, they don't necessarily want to sing I like to sing, but a lot of men don't and so we do family activities such as hey, we're going to have a baseball game together, or we'll rent out a swimming pool and the whole family can come swim, or we'll have a man's day for Father's Day and we'll feed you. We'll have activities, but we'll also have an opportunity to disciple and to teach values and one of the biggest things that we've seen is the number of men who end up confessing bad habits. They confess I mistreated my spouse, I've beaten my kids, I've done these bad things, and that confession is always what we see first.
Andy Baker:We see confession first. We see change second and then, usually about three to six months down the road, baptism. And I think a lot of times people would want the baptism to be the first thing, but we've seen it be this other way of realizing that the worldview is wrong, realizing that I'm not doing things wrong, confessing that, starting to make that change, coming into the church, being baptized and then living differently. So that's been one of the ways we've seen that change coming into the church, being baptized and then living differently. So that's been one of the ways we've seen that change. Something that started with well, we're going to care for youth that's now gone on to a movement that is, you know, just in this past year, 104 different families that have been transformed and it's been really exciting. In cases We've had entire families get baptized. We've actually seen, in several cases, families where the mom and dad had split up the family get back together and it's all been part of that process.
Luke Allen:Wow, that's great to hear, Daniel. I was wondering if you could add on to that question of what key lessons, truths, principles have you learned from going through Quorum Deo that you have seen, when applied, make the most inroads into the culture, bring about the most transformation.
Andy Baker:So the principles of Quorum Deo, things from biblical cosmophilia with an impact in their work en su ministerio, etc.
Daniel Borge:Bien Puedo decir que lograr entender cómo la Biblia no solamente es un manual de vida espiritual, how the Bible is not only a spiritual life manual, but also a life manual that will transform my vision about the care of my soul, my body, my emotions y de mi ambiente, o de la creación, so for me, the biggest change coming out of Coram Dale and learning about biblical worldview has been seeing the Bible not as a spiritual manual but as a manual for every aspect of my life.
Andy Baker:My physical life, my personal life, my relationships, even how I care for the environment around me should all be shaped from the Bible. I used to really approach things of well, that's just a spiritual thing, and then every other aspect of my life was separate. But now, after Coram Dale and after learning more about biblical worldview, it's a much more holistic approach to every aspect of my life and in my ministry aspect of my life and in my ministry.
Daniel Borge:Ahora, esto, llevarlo a otros pastores que tienen una cosmovisión limitada o ya creada por una cultura, era muy complicado.
Andy Baker:So it's been a complicated process, taking what I've learned and now trying to share with other pastors, because they're Bible believers but their worldview isn't entirely biblical. There's a compartmentalization that happens.
Daniel Borge:El modelo que aplicamos es llevarlo a ellos a través de una práctica, de un modelo de dialogar en grupos pequeños. ¿qué es lo que puedo obtener de esto? Logramos que los pastores llevar este discipulado a los mismos pastores y lograr que un pastor reciba de sus miembros varones un ánimo al decirle.
Andy Baker:So what we've done in this process is less preaching and more dialogue, gathering pastors in small groups to have a conversation about their worldview, to have a conversation about how they're doing things, to start the change that way, through relationship, through dialogue. And I've now started having pastors come back to me and say my people notice a change in me. It's just not the words that I'm teaching them, but they're saying I'm noticing a change in how you live and how every aspect of your life is changing, and that's that's very obvious to me the topic that is shared with the church as topics of physical care, health issues as well, because the Bible leads to all these topics an integral care of people.
Andy Baker:Evangelism is not just about spiritual, but also working with their congregation. About health what does the Bible have to say about having a healthy life and listening to the whole counsel of the Bible and teaching that whole biblical worldview, instead of just compartmentalizing and having just the spiritual side?
Daniel Borge:Or to talk about money, which sometimes in our countries is very difficult.
Andy Baker:And another change has been on the topic of money. A lot of times in our culture we don't want to talk about money or people think, oh, the pastor's just looking for more money. But looking at what the counsel of God says about our finances and how we use our finances, that's been another big change that we've seen in churches and it's been exciting to to compart the pastors.
Tim Williams:I've got a question, but it it's. It's moving the conversation on. So if anybody wants to comment on this, so I I don't know how we're watching time or not. I know they've got a testimony time going on, but I want to hear. So I'm thinking now of the story that you told earlier with the mosquito people, which you spell M-I-S-K-I-T-O, and they're on the border of Honduras and Nicaragua Honduras and Nicaragua I don't know if you would say an indigenous people that were not conquered. And then Honduras and Nicaragua one day drew a line along the river and they lived on both sides of the river, seeing it as a highway, and now they were separated into two different nations.
Tim Williams:Very interesting, but a cultural thing that happened among these people that you talked to us about was, um, I don't know another way to say it. Besides, it was a culture of thievery. You know, the people would steal anything and everything in a matter of seconds, and it it led to a uh, a culture of poverty, because people were discouraged. Why cultivate and create and make? You just had to guard everything all the time, the little that you managed to have, and you didn't need any excess because it was just going to be stolen. And so someone who came through YWAM and experienced DNA biblical worldview teaching went and lived with these people for a long time and now you're also involved in them and you've seen a transformation. Please tell us a little bit about that, yeah.
Andy Baker:I think one of the things that maybe isn't understood all the time is one of the greatest ways to affect an economic change in a group of people is through establishing a healthy, biblical worldview. I think we have this mentality if I'm going to change this. Poor people and the mosquito people that we work with. They're living in communities that it often takes two and a half days by boat to get there. They're living in communities that don't have electricity, don't have clean water, don't have education above second grade, don't have medical care. This is very, very isolated, very impoverished situation, and so we might have an idea of well, if we sent them a million dollars, we'd change all of their problems. But in this situation we could have sent as much money as somebody wanted to give us and it wouldn't have changed anything because they would have just stole it. And that's not me, as a North American, saying that. One of my best friends, who is Mosquito, would say we have a major problem in our culture with thievery. And they weren't creating businesses, they weren't doing farming for more than themselves. Most people spent most of their time and this is not an exaggeration sitting outside their house or their plot of land with a spear or a club to protect their property. And so there was desire. Why would you try to make more if somebody's just going to steal it? And in fact, in this particular village there was not a single business. Not a single business. You had to travel about a day away to buy anything, because any attempt to have a store had always failed. And so when Pastor Emil, who had come out of a YWAM background, moved to this community, that was the first thing to talk about. Let's get a biblical worldview and starting to evangelize the people, build up the people and teach biblical principles of why don't we steal? Why is private property important? Why should I not covet other people? Why should I work property important? Why should I not covet other people? Why should I work the importance of work right? The Bible talks about how we work for our benefit, the benefit of our family and the benefit of others, how we should be sharing a portion of our work to help people who don't have other things. And to put this in a really, really concrete example a couple of years ago we bought a water filter like a five-gallon pail with a water filter on it and put a cup, and the joke was is this going to make it a day before somebody steals it. Just a year or two before that I would visit this community and I'd put my Coca-Cola down, turn around to have a conversation with somebody else and that Coke would be gone. I mean, if it wasn't nailed down, it was gone in an instant. And so how is this water filter going to last? But the pastor said look, we have a different view of things now. The culture has changed. It's a biblical worldview. I think we're going to be fine. It's been two years. That water filter is still there, the cup is still there, and in my last visit to this community I got into a conversation with somebody and I left my phone, my very nice cell phone sitting, and two hours later it was still in the same spot. Because the culture is changing.
Andy Baker:Now people are cultivating more land. They're cultivating enough crops that they're actually selling them in other communities. There are multiple businesses in the town now, so you can buy all sorts of goods. You can buy that Coca-Cola right there in the community. You can buy a big variety of things. There's now a working mill in the town, so people are growing crops, taking it to the mill and that product is getting sold. I mean, we're talking a complete economic transformation. That didn't happen from a North American giving money, didn't happen by us giving them resources. What changed in the community was the worldview. And when the worldview changed, lots of things changed and the community is not perfect. And when the worldview changed, lots of things changed and the community is not perfect. They still have trouble, they're still thievery okay, it hasn't been completely eliminated, um, but things have changed enough that now you are seeing some really amazing things happen yeah, thanks for sharing that story.
Luke Allen:I that's an amazing story. It really is fascinating to hear about how how quickly these ideas can change entire communities like that. Um, sometimes I think that bringing about biblical truth in into into societies will be this long-term change which sometimes it is. It's all in God's timing, but sometimes it can be rapid, as we see in that example. You can leave your phone somewhere now, accidentally maybe, but still it's still there in a few hours, which is that's quite the testimony of how much these ideas can.
Andy Baker:I don't think my phone would still be in the same place in the United States in two hours. Yeah, I love it.
Luke Allen:It's a great testimony. Just as we're wrapping up, we are running a little bit low on time. So when we're sharing these ideas, I think sometimes people think what can I do? How can I? What part can I play in bringing about a biblical worldview that brings transformation to my community? What are steps that I can do, whether this is someone in the US or someone in Latin America? What are the simple first steps that we can take to start to be the agent of change that God has called us to?
Daniel Borge:The first step.
Andy Baker:How can we move from ideas to first steps of transformation? First, the thought must be affected the first thing is we've got to change our personal thoughts.
Daniel Borge:Y no debe estar desconectado el pensamiento del corazón.
Andy Baker:And we can't disconnect this from our heart.
Daniel Borge:Puedo creerlo, pero no estar dispuesto.
Andy Baker:It's possible sometimes to have a belief but not to be open to acting on it. It's possible to have a belief that something is right or wrong, but we're not acting on it for various reasons.
Daniel Borge:Y eso cambia a partir de lo que pienso que es correcto y mi intención de hacerlo verdaderamente.
Andy Baker:Change and transformation happens when I align my thoughts and my heart and leads to action. That's when we're really getting to transformation.
Daniel Borge:Y es un pequeño paso que en ocasiones logramos con cosas muy pequeñas, prácticas.
Andy Baker:And sometimes we just have to start with small, practical things.
Daniel Borge:Pastores que, manejando su vehículo, no quieren perder tiempo con una multa de tránsito y solamente darle dinero al policía cuando cometieron una infracción.
Andy Baker:And so just a little thing. But we have pastors who drive too fast, drive too recklessly, and they don't want to have to pay the big fine, so they'll just give a bribe to the police officer to get out of it.
Daniel Borge:Y encontrar eso pastores que no es que no quiero perder tiempo a pastores que cometí una infracción hay razón en pagarlo, pero eso entonces pienso no es correcto y lo practico.
Andy Baker:And this is a case where what we think and how we're acting aren't the same and we've got to help move to. We know it's wrong to pay a bribe, so I'm going to change my actions and not do that thing and take responsibility. I was speeding, I'm going to pay the fine, I'm going to go to the bank and pay this and not just bribe the policeman and not just bribe the policeman.
Daniel Borge:Quizá puede ser algo, decía yo pequeño. Pero qué tal si voy con mi familia y paso un semáforo en rojo? ¿qué piensa mi hijo? Yo también puedo hacerlo y me ha ocurrido a mí.
Andy Baker:And I mean that might seem little, but you know, if I'm going through a red light because I know well, I'll just bribe the policeman. What's my son going to think? What are my children going to think? They're going to think well, that's just how it goes and it's just going to continue. So am I practicing discipleship with my family.
Daniel Borge:Am I demonstrating to them what is right? Entonces, un pequeño cambio de pensamiento y la intención de hacerlo.
Andy Baker:So that little change of thought and that intention in my heart that leads to action, that's what I think is really important.
Luke Allen:Yeah, thank you, daniel, and thank you for the translation. Andy. Appreciate that. That's such an important word convicting for all of us. I think so easy. So often it's easy to let these things just stay in our head as ideas and not actually live them out, because it's hard, but it's in the actual living out, obviously, that change is brought about. So it's just a great reminder For anyone who's listening to this, who is curious to learn a little bit more about what you guys do about the Nehemiah Center. Where can people go to? To?
Andy Baker:learn more. Yeah, you can go to Nehemiah Center dot net or center Nehemiah is put on that in Espanol. Both sites function in their languages and there's all sorts of information about what we're doing. Our annual reports are there. They give you the numbers of the number of people impacted. We had over 4,000 people impacted by our work last year, over 130 different churches that we're working with, and we always love volunteers and people who maybe have a question about how they can get involved. We love that.
Luke Allen:All right, muchas gracias, tim. Final word.
Andy Baker:Yeah, I just didn't know for organizations like ours that we can give to pastors that we can equip them with. You know, that makes us so much more effective. You know, I know before my time in mission work it was so normal to just drop missionaries in the field and say good luck. But for us to have resources to have something like Coramdale that we can use to train our staff to, you know, build up a person like Danielle who is now living this out, that's huge. So we are so thankful for the work that you guys as an organization do to help those of us in the field really plant those seeds of transformation. We couldn't do it without you guys providing that, so we are very thankful.
Luke Allen:Yeah, well, all glory to God right, Soli Deo Gloria. It's been great to hear a little bit more about what you guys are doing at the Nehemiah Center. We are so glad to be partners with you guys and for you guys listening, if you would like to learn more about the Nehemiah Center, we'll include the links to their website in the description so you can go check that out right after this. So, yeah, again, thank you, Andy and Daniel, so much for your time and for sharing a little bit about what you guys are doing, some stories of the ways God is working in very obvious ways in the beautiful country of Nicaragua. So thank you again, and thank you, Tim, also for your time. I enjoyed this I know you did as well and for everyone listening, thanks again for tuning in to a special episode here on Ideas have Consequences Okay, great.
