Ideas Have Consequences
Everything that we see around us is the product of ideas, of ideologies, of worldviews. That's where everything starts. Worldviews are not all the same, and the differences matter a lot. How do you judge a tree? By its fruits. How do you judge a worldview? By its physical, tangible, observable fruit. The things it produces. Ideas that are noble and true produce beauty, abundance, and human flourishing. Poisonous ideas produce ugliness. They destroy and dehumanize. It really is that simple. Welcome to Ideas Have Consequences, the podcast of Disciple Nations Alliance, where we prepare followers of Christ to better understand the true ideas that lead to human flourishing while fighting against poisonous ideas that destroy nations. Join us, and prepare your minds for action!
Ideas Have Consequences
Making Theology Practical: Arturo Cuba’s Challenge | DNA Forum 2025 Special
What if the key to transforming communities isn’t money, resources, or even a buttoned-up theology—but something far more foundational?
In this special episode, we’re giving you a taste of the kind of teaching you’ll experience at the upcoming DNA Forum this August in Panama City, Panama. Join us as we revisit a compelling keynote from our last Forum, delivered by one of DNA’s most influential trainers, Arturo Cuba.
Drawing from over two decades of grassroots discipleship in rural Latin America, Cuba challenges conventional evangelical thinking with bold clarity: “People do not live out of theologies. People live out of the things that make sense in their lives.” His message unpacks how biblical principles—taught as life-shaping truths rather than abstract theology—have the power to bring deep, lasting change.
Want more of this kind of insight? You don't want to miss the 2025 DNA Forum happening August 4–8 in Panama City, Panama. Our theme: The Essential Role of the Local Church in Discipling Nations.
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Hi friends, welcome, or welcome back to. Ideas have Consequences. This is the podcast of the Disciple Nations Alliance. Thank you so much for joining us for this special episode. Why is it special? Well, because we are looking ahead at a big event coming up on our calendar the DNA Forum, which is happening this summer from August 4th through 8th in beautiful Panama City, panama. The DNA Forum is always a meaningful time for our global family of Kingdomizers, trainers and practitioners to gather for worship, fellowship and learning. This year's particular theme is the essential role of the local church in discipling nations. We're incredibly excited for this event and we hope to see as many of you there as we can.
Luke Allen:Now a quick note this is an invitation-only event, primarily due to the resource limitations at the venue. So if you're a DNA Kingdomizer and received an invitation in your inbox recently, please make sure to register soon. Registration costs will be increasing after June 1st and we'd love to get an accurate head count soon. If you've already registered, then amazing. We can't wait to see you down there in Panama Now.
Luke Allen:If you did not receive an invitation, don't worry, it might just mean that we do not have your contact info yet. So if you are new to this movement. If you're a regular listener to this podcast, if you've read one or two of our books and if you've taken one of our courses, such as the Kingdomizer 101 course, and you're applying these principles that you're learning into your life, then we would love to connect with you. And if who I'm describing sounds like you, then you can request an invitation to the forum by going over to our signup page on our website, which is disciplenationsorg backslash form 2025. Again, that's disciplenationsorg backslash form 2025, or you can follow the link in the show notes and on that page you will see information about how you can request an invitation to the form. All right, this episode is also special because it falls outside of our normal weekly schedule, and we did this because we wanted to give you a little taste of what our forms look like.
Luke Allen:So today we are going to be sharing one of our favorite teachings from our form three years ago in Ethiopia. The keynote speaker at that form was Arturo Cuba, one of the DNA's earliest and most influential trainers and, personally, one of my absolute favorites. Arturo is from Bolivia and has spent over 20 years creatively discipling people with a biblical worldview, especially in rural tribes across Latin America. His unique outside-of-the-box approach to teaching biblical truths is always inspiring, convicting and challenging in all the best ways. What you're about to hear is his opening talk from the Ethiopia Forum. I personally found it deeply thought-provoking and edifying, and I hope you will too. So, without further ado, here's Arturo Kuba.
Arturo Cuba:Good morning, buenos dias. That's in the heavenly language you might understand. I will share a little bit of my story. Not much, because there are many things I want to share with you, but first of all I will make a disclaimer, disclaiming, disclaim. Ok, I will make this claim, this claim, this claim.
Arturo Cuba:Okay, my life passion is to teach about biblical principles, those I have learned in this ministry of community development. I don't know anything about principles for politics, for economics, for business, for leadership, so please don't think I am an expert in those things. Okay, I have had troubles in the past because people think about me more than they should. Okay, my experience is with very poor communities, people with almost no education, okay, people in very hard situations, situations most of them believers, and and I think is that they are the best people for for teaching. When I work with them, god did great things and I say, wow, if this happened with you know, illiterate and poor people. If I go back to my country and I talk to my people who are more educated, university people, it would be much better. You know, wrong, you know, trust me, I mean, it doesn't work with the smart people. Okay, smart people have many things in their heads and it's like the parable, when the Lord says that the farmer is throwing the seed and there are birds waiting for the seed. Okay, that's smart people. They have too many problems, they have too many things. They have too many things. They hear you and say, oh, there must be something better, let's go to the next seminary and things like that. But poor people, simple people, desperate people, they are looking for God in some ways and they open their eyes and their ears and that's a great opportunity for someone who wants to work with them. That happened to me. I didn't expect that, but the Lord guided me to do that. Okay, so that's the first thing. I'm sorry my computer is not here and somebody's going to bring a computer, but I tried to follow the line I try to remember. The next thing is that biblical principles. I remember when I heard Darrell the first time. Darrell is an incredible guy. I mean God changed my life when I met him and he changed it dramatically.
Arturo Cuba:But hearing about biblical worldview was a too Western message in the voice of Darrell and very beautiful ideas, very nice things, new things, but hard to share with poor people, with Latin Americans, probably with Africans the same thing, because we live in a different context and how to translate those ideas. It was very difficult in Guatemala. I was living in Guatemala at that time, so we spent a lot of a long time trying to do it. But it was frustrating because people didn't understand what a worldview is, you know, and and it was very difficult, and Guatemalans have a very funny way of doing things when they don't understand something, they begin to make jokes about that. Yeah, so when, when I saw that, I said let's stop this, let's not talk about biblical worldview anymore.
Arturo Cuba:So I was checking all the reading material that Daryl used to send us and I found something very interesting. I found a Bible study, and we evangelicals love Bible studies. He says the development ethic Bible study. I said development ethic. I was very evangelical at that time, you know.
Arturo Cuba:So it sounded very hard for me what is development ethic? But little by little it came in place. But you know, if you read his book Discipling Nations, the book is made out of that curricula and if you see he's following those lines and they have funny names for an evangelical mind, principles that are named, for instance, man have dominion over nature or the universe is a rational order, and I say, wow, these words are too big. I had a bunch of farmers who never went to school, so how to do this? But it was very simple and the nice thing is that when I started using it it was like an electrical effect. Everybody just got shocked with those ideas. This Bible, bible study, began to work, and work fine. So I reviewed the whole thing and I said, well, this is a gold mine for this business. If I can see how to use it, how to manage this, I think it can produce something nice. I have worked with this idea of biblical principles for many, many years and I have found many interesting things, many, many interesting things, many interesting things. Okay, many, many interesting things. And I will try to use one of these lessons as if you were the people who are, you know, my students or or the people I want to share these ideas you know, as a practical thing so you can see how it works, and at the same time, I will try to share with you some important ideas about this. Okay, the first thing, I will make a kind of introduction Principles although we call them biblical principles, we have to think of them as philosophical concepts, not theological conceptsical.
Arturo Cuba:I mean what I'm trying to say with this. What I'm trying to say is that those principles are not designed to teach you a particular doctrine or particular theology. Those principles try to answer or to respond your needs in life. Try to respond important questions of life. That's what philosophy does. That's why it's philosophic and it's going to help you to think out of the box.
Arturo Cuba:You know, I believe, that most Christian believers, evangelical believers, have a big problem. They are all packed in the same box and that box is their theology. Like yesterday, our brothers told us that they are dealing with this problem. They separate the sacred from the secular. Have you seen that? Well, that happens to everyone and it's very difficult to address. Okay, so this Bible study tries to move away from that and try to go to help your mind to see the Bible as an answer to your problems in life, not to teach you doctrines, okay.
Arturo Cuba:Okay, I was going to say something important on this too. The next thing is that it was frustrating to teach about a biblical worldview what it is. It's too sophisticated for me, especially if you are dealing with simple people. So after using these biblical principles, I realized this A person can get a biblical mind, a biblical worldview without knowing what a biblical worldview is. You know, and that's it. So you are going to help, I mean, you're going to simplify things very much. A person can get a biblical mind, a biblical worldview, without knowing what a worldview is. That's it, you know, without knowing what a worldview is. That's it, you know. So that's why I try to put all emphasis on this biblical principles.
Arturo Cuba:Okay, so I have learned some things while I was doing this, so I want to share them in advance so you can understand a little bit. What are we going to do later? Okay, the first thing is that the Word of God is in the Bible, but at the same time, it's in creation too. This is very important, you know, because sometimes in Bible we have only a piece of the picture, but we don't have the whole picture. Not necessarily, okay, but it's not in contradiction. The Bible says that God made the universe by his word. So the word of God is right there. You only need to open your mind to see it. Okay, but just in case, god decided to write it down, okay, it's supposed to be self-evident, but because we are in darkness, we don't see it clearly. But if you are a set in the Bible and you are opening your mind to see these truths. You're going to see them out there clearly. Okay, so we are going to do. Why I say this? Because some principles are very hard to find in the Bible. Okay, because sometimes to have a Bible verse is a requirement for the evangelical mind, you know, and it's very difficult to do sometimes, but it's evident. You know, see it? No, but it's not in the Bible. Where did you get this? You are going to, you know, find people like that, but remember this, you know, the Word of God is out there too.
Arturo Cuba:Another thing is that we should never understand the Bible in contradiction to the natural life. When we do that, something is wrong and that something is not out there, it's inside here. We are not understanding the thing, and this happened very commonly with evangelicals. They twist the natural life to fit in their under spiritual understanding. And you know and that makes that make, that has terrible consequences why we believers are far from politics, why we believers are not more educated people. Why don't we, why are not we in those levels fighting for our nations? Because we have understood the Bible, you know, in contradiction to natural life, and that's a big, big mistake.
Arturo Cuba:Okay, so if you want to work with principles, you have to question yourself all the time, am I understanding this rightly? And sometimes to give that step to become a little bit profane and say, well, if my pastor sees me thinking this way, he will kick me out of the church, but I will do it anyway. You have to do it, otherwise you will not understand the whole picture. So this is very important. The other thing is that principles, as I told you, should be defined like philosophical concepts, not as theological concepts. I mean, we use the Bible like a tool to answer important questions in life. We don't use the Bible to indoctrinate people. If you do that, they won't grow. They will become like military people. Yes, sir, no sir, you know, but if you help them to think, I remember I met an American pastor and he told me something that to me is like the sun in the sky. He told me this Arturo, people do not live out of theologies, people live out of the things that make sense in their lives.
Arturo Cuba:You know the gospel or the word of God has to make sense in your life, otherwise it won't help you. You know it needs to make sense, and biblical principles, in this case the way I'm going to show you. I'll try to be presented that way to make sense in your life what's the value of a woman, what's what's what's history? You know, if those things don't make sense in your life, you're lost. No matter how much you go to church, you understand, and some church doctrines are still worse, you know they give you ideas that you should question. That's true. Okay, next thing is most of people oh, I don't see that thing Most people try to make Christianity out of Bible verses. You know, bible verses are nice. I can do all things in Christ who strengthen me, yeah, that's great. But you know where are you going with that? You?
Arturo Cuba:know, I mean we make it's a cliche. You know I mean we make it's a cliche. You know we sometimes use verses that we try to use them to lift up our spirits but in reality, as the Apostle Paul says, it doesn't give fruit in your mind. You didn't say anything and sometimes that's the way we use them. You know you cannot make a biblical mind with Bible verses, memorizing them one another, one another. Yeah, you can have some useful things, you know, but you cannot make a whole picture of reality out of that. You need to get those Bible verses and make principles.
Arturo Cuba:Principles have funny names just because of that. For instance, life is sacred. Where does it say in the Bible life is sacred, human life is sacred? Nowhere, but I know it is. It is there. It's implied in many ways, but I got it. I mean biblical principles are hidden in the Bible. You have to discover them. Listen, this is very important. You cannot teach Bible principles. You have to help people to discover, to realize, to realize Bible principles. Okay, what does it say? Sometimes, as I told you, sometimes the Bible provides very little information about some principles, but you can see it abundantly in creation. So you need to be smart to know how to present it to people in order to convince them that this is in the Bible, it's in agreement with God's creation. Okay, another thing is that biblical principles necessarily necessarily produces results in natural life. You know, sometimes we evangelical believers we don't necessarily accept things this way. I'm happy that it sounds spiritual, but if I am poor, if I don't prosper, it's fine. I will suffer the Lord's consequence of bearing his mission in this life.
Luke Allen:Doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense.
Arturo Cuba:The word principle in this case is the same thing that you can use it in science, for instance, gravity was discovered as a principle. Okay, and does it produce natural consequences? Yes, it does. You can try it if you want, you'll see. You know, you cannot go against the principle. You will suffer the consequences. So what does a principle say?
Arturo Cuba:A principle is the basic structure that God used to design his universe. It's a basic structure, it's basic truths. They are like columns and beams of construction. You can move everything else, but you cannot touch those. If you do it, the whole thing can collapse. Okay, you cannot go against biblical principles. So you will recognize that when you see this, for instance, life is sacred. It's very important for prosperity, it's very important for the development of human life, it's very important for God's kingdom. It's not written in the Bible like such, but you can find pieces to organize a teaching about this principle. It's fundamental, okay, as someone yesterday said, it's fundamental. You cannot construct anything without it, okay, okay, so, but biblical principles because of something we're going to say later, they have their competitors. Okay, biblical principles are truths, truths. I have problems saying truth and true. Okay, so you help me with this. Okay, biblical principles are truths, truths. But we live in a world where we can find lies. Okay.
Arturo Cuba:To me everything is summed up this way, because God's truth produces life. If you can live it out, you will be happy, you will be developed, you will be prospered, you will be realized in the person God wanted you to be, if you can live those truths. But the problem is that you were born in a world that has put the lies in your mind. You were born in a world that has put the lies in your mind, and that's the tragedy, basically, okay. So we see communities, we see nations that are poor, underdeveloped, where there is suffering, oppression, injustice and all kind of difficulties. Most of that, if not all, is based on lies. They are cultures of lies, of darkness. On the other hand, as I tell you, well, this is a battle. This is a battle. You have to deal with people. Normally, you don't need money, you don't need resources.
Arturo Cuba:The only thing you need basically is to be able to change what is in the mind of people. If you can do that, you will see how the people themselves can stand up and do great things, and God will bless them. Sometimes we make this mistake. We think that, yeah, we need God's word, but we also need some resources. That's fine. If you want to make projects, that's great. If you want to do things like that, awesome. But little by little, you be be led astray. Your perception of reality will change, okay, so I'm not saying is bad.
Arturo Cuba:Money and resources are very important, but what I'm saying is that truth, truths are fundamental. If you can manage that, added everything, okay, but don't, don't make, don't make a mistake. That's, that's, that's in my opinion, okay. Okay next, as I told you, lies produce death. When I say death, I'm talking about poverty, talking about oppression, depression, ignorance, underdevelopment, backwardness, sickness, superstition. All those things are based on lies, you know. So we have these two things and our battle is defined right there.
Arturo Cuba:Have you heard about those stories of missions who came to the country, poured a lot of money, trained pastors, they left and then the party started, they sold the land, they took the money. Have you heard those stories? Okay, that's why I remember when I went to work to Guatemala in a development organization Food for the Hungry, darrell was working in that organization. That's why I met him. So I went to Guatemala and we saw the staff. I met him. So I went to Guatemala and we saw the staff. Who are the staff? I mean, the staff are some people that we hire that belong to the same people we want to help.
Arturo Cuba:Okay, so you hire sick people to use them to, you know, to heal the other sick people. It doesn't make sense. Right, it doesn't make sense. It's ridiculous. If you were born in a poor country, you are sick, no matter how is your faith, you're sick and you don't know it. That's the interesting thing, because lies and truths are hidden in your mind Like things that are under the table. It's very difficult to bring them on the table. You need a particular technique to do that, okay, but trust me, trust me. Trust me what I'm saying. If you were born in a poor country, you know you have the lies that your own people have and you don't know it, and you need a process to be healed. You need to apply those principles to yourself first. So try to avoid that idea that, oh, I learned some nice things and next thing, I want to get all the people gathered and I will share them what I learned. No, forget it. God will not honor that. Okay, he will work if you yourself are able to reflect on those things and to find those truths no, those lies in your life and be able to live his truth. When you do that, god will use you. He will use you. He will use you. Remember, as my new friend, chris Sampa do told me, god is the one who makes transformation. You can't do it. You know, god is the one who makes transformation and if you are able to fight this fight in your own life, he will be with you. He will walk with you, he will do great things with you. He will use you to teach other people, okay, but remember this If you were born in a poor society, you are sick too, okay, and you need healing, okay, okay, okay, I said that already. You are sick too, okay, and you need healing, okay, okay, I said that already.
Arturo Cuba:Something interesting, and this is very hard to tell evangelicals, especially of those who are their minds trapped in their faith, corrupt in their faith. Biblical truths do not necessarily belong only to believers. They are universal. So you are going to find, surprisingly, that even non-believers who live biblical truths, they prosper. You see how they do it. They don't even believe in God and see, everything is going fine with them. How can they do it? Because it works. It's God's universal laws for people On the other side. If you're a believer and you go to church every day, you bring your family, you do everything, bible studies, but you, you know, do not practice biblical truths, it won't work and you will continue being poor and you will continue not prospering and you will continue having troubles in life, not prospering and you will continue having troubles in life. I'm tired of seeing that mediocrity in this church, of people who seem to love God but cannot go anywhere. This is very common. Probably you know names right now, so this is very important. Biblical truths are universal and this is a very nice thing, you know, because it depends how you teach them, how you use them in your teachings.
Arturo Cuba:I worked in Food for the Hungry. Food for the Hungry is an organization that hires believers well in that time, and sometimes non-believers, because we need technical people and we don't find believers with that ability. So I had these teachings with them, you know, and it was interesting. After teaching these principles, some people came to me. They approached me and said you know, arturo, I'm not a believer. My wife is the believer. She drags me to the church with my children and I don't understand what they talk. But this thing this is another story that makes sense. You know, sometimes we share the gospel. That doesn't make sense and we are trusting that the Holy Spirit will do his job. You know, you say things that don't make sense, but he touches their hearts, but it doesn't have to be that way, okay, and I have seen many people to come to the Lord because they understood what God wants from people, and this is beautiful.
Arturo Cuba:It is a different story. Another thing which is very important Truths or lies, you know, are normally hidden in paradigms Paradigms Paradigm is a very important word, you know. Paradigms are the things you do without knowing. How can I say this? Paradigms are things that you are forced to do because your mind Let me Okay, we all live out of paradigms. We don't know it, we don't know it, but paradigms are a very important part in our minds, most of our decisions in life. Some of them are taken consciously, but many others that are very important are taken unconsciously. They are taken by paradigms. For instance, we are going to talk about this. But authority, what is authority In the third world? Authority is an awful thing. It's the authorization to do whatever you want and to beat whoever you want. But you don't know it until they name you the boss.
Arturo Cuba:When I was working in Food for the Hungry, I used to meet very nice kids, so humble, so willing to work, to do things. So when the time came, somebody said, okay, it's time to replace this leader. So let's name this little guy who is so humble and works so hard and you know, big mistake, because when he became the boss, it was another person and he ended up fighting against everyone, firing people. I mean, he was a very nice guy, he was the friend of everyone, but when he became a boss, things change. Have you noticed that? Yeah, because that's a part of that, and and and he probably he himself doesn't know it, you know, he himself doesn't know it. Well, probably some people don't understand this, but in my world this is very common. So I hate a world where we have a boss and and I think the Bible does not encourage you to do that, because the Bible knows that all men is a sinner, you know.
Luke Allen:And, but we have to fight that paradigm?
Arturo Cuba:Okay, but you don't know it until the moment comes. What happens with money? Oh, I'm poor, I just want enough to meet my needs, to feed my children. All of a sudden, a lot of money came, and what happens? What happens when a lot of money comes? Maybe the reason why God does not want to give us more money is because he knows what is going to happen. You know, it's true, it's complicated, it's very complicated, but it's true.
Arturo Cuba:Truths or lies, especially lies, are hidden in paradigms, and you have to. I mean why biblical principles are nice? Because they how do you say ¿Cómo se dice Delatar? Yeah, can reveal who you really are, expose you. It exposes you. Yeah, okay, that's very.
Arturo Cuba:If you teach biblical principles and you don't feel that, trust me, I think something is not going well. You know, the first thing is that you have to find this, especially if you were born in a third world country. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so you have to deal with that, and if you do it honestly before the face of the Lord, he will bless you, he will change you and he will use you to change many people. Okay, okay. And the next thing is that a flourishing community requires citizens to have a mind constructed on biblical principles. That's necessary. I mean, as I told you, you can bring money, you can bring projects, you can help people to get a better situation, but if they don't change their minds, you are wasting your time. Okay, they might make a monument or put your name somewhere, but later on it won't work. You need to change their minds. You need to do a basic job, that is, to change their minds and their hearts. Okay, that's the, you know, the roof of a flourishing nation. Changes are much better when are made by the very people you're working with.
Arturo Cuba:I'll tell you a story that others always ask me to tell. I was working in Guatemala, and we were working in a community that is very well known for being a hard community. People don't want anything, they don't like progress. I mean, they are the opposite of what would you like to do. I mean, I don't know why they are that way. Okay, but they are very difficult. And there was this organization. Their name was COSUDE COSUDE I think they are a European organization, it's the USA of some European country and they were working in the countryside.
Arturo Cuba:In Guatemala, people live out of corn. Corn is not only the basic food, but sometimes it's the only food they have and they plant corn. Sometimes is the only food they have and they plant corn and they have a particular way of doing things. They harvest the corn and they live in shacks with a simple ceiling made out of some pieces of wood and they put all the corn on top of that and that is on top of, well, in the upper part of the room, and they cook in open fire and they think that corn gets dry because the fire they have every day right there. But since the corn is there, exposed, there, exposed, you know, the rats come and they take their part, you know, and all the bugs come and they take their part. So finally, when the pocket, the pocket she does the tribe, when the pocket she comes to take his part is a very little part, okay. So they have this big problem.
Arturo Cuba:In Kosu they had this technology to help them to make drying cabins outside with special things made to avoid the rats and all the things that they. Simple technology but very nice things to do, and to storage corn. So, but the Poconchi didn't want to do that. I mean so, but the Poconchi didn't want to do that. I mean those things were very simple. But they didn't want to do that. So they came to our office and said you know we give up. You work with these people, go and teach them and if they hear you, we will transfer our technology to you so you can, and even funds so you can help them to improve their situation. And at that time I was working in Food for the Hungry, but my wife was the country director and that's not a good idea. Okay, when your wife is your boss, trust me, it's not a good idea.
Luke Allen:Trust me, it's not a good idea.
Arturo Cuba:So one day my wife called me and told me you know this and this is happening. So we need to take this technology and to use it in our project. So what? What do you want me to do? Go and teach them. What do you want me to do? Go and teach them. So I had to go and I went to one of those communities, the one that was more open to us, and I asked for a meeting and there were some 40 people, around 40 people, and I was thinking about how can I convince them that, that they need to use this technology.
Arturo Cuba:So at that time I was teaching this Bible principles, and there is one that you're going to hear later that is called man has dominion over nature or over creation, I don't know, it has different names, but something like that. So I went to them and I didn't say much as an introduction. I took the Bible and read those verses in Genesis that say that, and I asked people the simple question what does it say here? That God gave authority to men over animals. And they say yes, okay. So who is in command? That's the word they like more. Who's in command? Men or rats? They say men. Okay, are you sure, yes.
Arturo Cuba:So I'll tell you a story. There is this Pocomchi farmer who is very concerned about his family and he knows that he needs to work the land and to bring the corn to his family. So he wakes up very early in the morning and takes all his tools and he goes walking to his piece of land to start working. On the other hand, there is a rat who's sleeping all day. Who's sleeping all day? And you know, and every time I said a little part of this story, I asked them who is in command, man or the rat? At the beginning they were saying man, you know, but little by little they realized I was talking about them. You know, because this farmer, finally, he rips all the crops and he's working hard, you know, taking the thing in his bag, and the rat says, oh, it's time for lunch. And when I said that, they began to laugh about themselves. They knew it. And the story ends that he takes all the corn and puts it in a plate and serves the rat. And they didn't want to answer when I said who is in command, because they were just laughing. Next day they were building all the drying cabins and in a few months the whole place was filled with those cabins.
Arturo Cuba:People do not live out of theologies. People live out of the things that make sense in their lives, and the only thing we did was to take a biblical principle and to make it a small story. You know, that's the idea. Biblical principles need to talk about your life, about your needs. It needs to respond your necessities in life. Right, okay, brothers, we're going to stop here. Brothers and brothers, we're going to stop here. Brothers and sisters, we are going to continue tomorrow. Okay, thank you.
Luke Allen:Thank you for listening to this special training episode with our good friend Arturo Cuba, who, by the way, will most likely be at this summer's DNA Forum, happening in Panama City from August 4th through 8th. Again, the forum is always such a special time for us as a DNA family of kingdomizers, trainers and practitioners from around the world to come together for a week of encouragement and learning. This year's particular theme is the essential role of the local church in discipling nations. So, again, if you did receive that invitation in your inbox, please go ahead and register as soon as possible, because those registration prices will be going up on June 1st and, again, we'd love to get an accurate headcount somewhat soon. So if you've already registered, then thank you. We can't wait to see you down there in Panama.
Luke Allen:And, again, as a reminder, this is an invitation only event. But if you are newer to the movement and we might not have your contact information yet and thus did not send you an invitation, then you can request an invitation, and how you can do that is by heading over to our webpage for the forum, which is disciplenationsorg backslash form 2025, which I also have linked in the show notes, and on that page you can request an invitation. But again, just as a reminder, this form is for DNA Kingdomizers, so that means it's for people who regularly interact with our content whether that's our podcast, our books or our training courses and is applying these principles that they're learning into their lives. So if that sounds like you, then please go ahead and head over to disciplenationsorg backslash form 2025 and go ahead and request an invitation if you did not receive that invitation yet. All right, that's it for today, guys, thanks again for listening to this episode of Ideas have Consequences, the podcast of the Disciple Nations Alliance.
